Danny still weak

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 7:32 PM GMT on August 28, 2009

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Tropical Storm Danny continues to look unhealthy, with an exposed low-level center and the main heavy thunderstorms well to the east. The center is oval instead of circular, which may portend that this center will dissipate and a new center will form under the heaviest thunderstorm activity. Danny has more of the appearance of a subtropical storm than a tropical storm on satellite imagery, and this structure will slow down any potential intensification. The amount of heavy thunderstorm activity has increased in the past few hours, though no thunderstorms have formed near the center. The latest Hurricane Hunter mission found one small spot of 45 mph surface winds between 1 - 3 pm EDT today, so Danny may barely qualify as a tropical storm. Danny's center may have begun moving to the north over the past hour, giving confidence that the storm's strongest winds and rain will stay offshore of North Carolina tonight and Saturday morning.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image at 3:03 pm EDT of Danny, showing the exposed swirl of clouds where Danny's center is, well displaced from the heaviest thunderstorm activity to the east. The center is oval-shaped and not circular, the sign of a weak circulation.

The forecast for Danny
With wind shear at 15 knots this afternoon, and forecast to increase to 20 knots tonight and 30 knots Saturday morning, it is unlikely Danny will be able to strengthen to more than a 50 mph tropical storm. Dry air from the upper-level low that has been keeping Danny disorganized continues to be a problem for the storm, as well. Most of the intensity forecast models continue to insist Danny will strengthen, but they have been doing a very poor job forecasting the intensity of Danny. With Danny's heavy thunderstorms all on the east side of the storm, it is unlikely that North Carolina or New England will feel tropical storm force winds from Danny when it scoots past on Saturday. Large swells from Danny creating high surf along the beaches of New England will be the primary hazard from the storm.

Massachusetts hurricane history
Two tropical storms have affected Massachusetts in the past decade, though neither of these storms brought sustained winds of tropical storm force (39 mph) to the state. Tropical Storm Beryl of 2006 just missed Cape Cod as a weak tropical storm with 45 mph winds. Beryl brought wind gusts to tropical storm force to Nantucket Island, and a 1 foot storm surge. Tropical Storm Hermine hit southeast Massachusetts on August 31, 2004, as a minimum-strength tropical storm with 40 mph winds. No land stations in Massachusetts reported tropical storm force winds during Beryl. The last time Massachusetts measured tropical storm force winds was in 1997 during that year's version of Tropical Storm Danny. Chatham recorded sustained winds of 44 mph, and Nantucket had 43 mph winds. The last time Massachusetts had hurricane force winds was in 1991 during Hurricane Bob, which hit Rhode Island as a Category 2 hurricane. Provincetown, Massachusetts measured sustained winds of 98 mph, gusting to 115 mph, and Buzzard's Bay received a 15 foot storm surge.

Invest 94L
The well-organized tropical wave (94L) mid-way between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands continues to be a threat to develop into a tropical depression in the next day or two. Water vapor satellite loops show that 94L has moistened the region surrounding it considerably today, and the storm is not ingesting as much dry air as this morning. However, visible satellite loops show only a small amount of heavy thunderstorm activity near the circulation center, which is broad and elongated from east to west. Shear is low, about 10 knots, and is expected to remain low, 5 - 10 knots, over the next five days. The waters are warm enough to support development, 27°C, and are expected to remain in the 27 - 28°C range over the next five days. It appears that 94L needs another 1 - 3 days to develop a well-formed circulation and become a tropical depression, given the favorable environment. NHC is giving 94L a medium (30 - 50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday. Most of the models predict 94L will Be affected by two troughs of low pressure over the next week, which will pull the storm far enough north so that it will miss the Lesser Antilles Islands. It is then probable that 94L will be forced to the west again as the high pressure ridge steering the storm builds back in. The possible long-term threat to the U.S. East Coast is impossible to evaluate at this time.

I'm in New York City this weekend for my cousin's wedding, so will not be blogging again until Monday morning. In my absence, wundergound's severe storms expert, Dr. Rob Carver, will be posting in my blog Saturday and Sunday.

Jeff Masters

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I think 94L is starting to show more convection around the center. It aint time to rip it people.
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Quoting canesrule1:
thanks.


Uh....my question is this:

Why would the NAVY deactivate it if the NHC states gradual development is possible?
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Yep and don't forget DMAX.
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Hey Tazamanian: I remember when almost everyone on this blog back in 2004 said Ivan was too far South and that storms that far below 10 deg never do anything; and a lot of people wrote him off. He peaked out at 145 MPH. Anything can happen. Let us hope it doesn't.
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Quoting IKE:


I use this. Not sure if it's the fastest though.

I'm not saying 94L is RIP, but when they stop doing model runs on it, sometimes it is.
thanks.
Quoting hunkerdown:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Im in Palm Beach, Channel 10 is out of miami, it will be interesting to see what 94L does
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505. Relix
Quoting AllStar17:
And......ladies and gentlemen.....here we go! The RIP crew is out in full force!


This ALWAYS happens haha
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"ufffff" is my only comment:

503. IKE
Quoting canesrule1:
by the way, where can I find the latest model runs as soon as they come out?


I use this. Not sure if it's the fastest though.

I'm not saying 94L is RIP, but when they stop doing model runs on it, sometimes it is.
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And......ladies and gentlemen.....here we go! The RIP crew is out in full force!
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Quoting kmanislander:


You rang ??

Yes, ringing Kman about 94L.
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Quoting IKE:
Help needed....???

not sure help would do it any good for now...anyone on here red cross trained with CPR or using a defibrillator ?
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How do you guys post the animations of the loops from the NHC website?
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Quoting kmanislander:


You rang ??
Some folks looking for your expert opinion on 94 L. What say you ?
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Whats up with some of you thinking 94L aint goin to make it?
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Quoting hunkerdown:
hmmm...and what did Louis Murphy say last year about the "U"...
IDK,what did Louis say? they are gonna suck again this year.
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X 93L/94E is now TD 13E has it was forcast too it this pop up on the navy site
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Quoting hunkerdown:
I believe it has a lot of consolidatiung to do before it strengthens...and for now, I definitely don;t see it doing anything rapidly.

Agree, hunkerdown. It has been taking its time. But I am seeing more circulation now. We may see more organization tomorrow.
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Quoting IKE:
GFDL and HWRF have not run on 94L since the 6Z runs.

Is it RIP time?


Well then, why would the NHC say "gradual development is possible over the next few days" if they were going to deactivate it.....just do not think so. In fact, it is looking a smidgen better at this hour with a burst of convection over the COC.
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Yeah, I mentioned that "jolt" back in post #343 or so, PA. I know about COC relocations and all, but Danny's just leaped to the ENE, from completely stationary, in like 30 minutes, like something had kicked it in the pants. Very strange storm, indeed as Chicklit and others have said.

And as it's been chugging and churning along in the same area for so long, one would think upwelling would be stealing some of its energy, too.

Jo
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Quoting IKE:
GFDL and HWRF have not run on 94L since the 6Z runs.

Is it RIP time?
by the way, where can I find the latest model runs as soon as they come out?
490. ackee
Do u guys think 94L convection raceing WSW may actualy develop serperately from where 94L low is located ?
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Quoting stormwatcherCI:
He said he would be back later.


You rang ??
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488. Relix
Taz and Ike: Don't be downcasters. The system is just starting to strenghten in fact. You can't expect a perfect COC to develop in 6 hours, it takes time, and right now the convection is building around it. In fact, now you could say is when the real development begins. There's no reason to call it RIP as the conditions are favorable for it.
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Quoting Chicklit:

Where's KmanIslander?
He's my Caribbean expert!
He said he would be back later.
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Taz, RIP---- youve got to be kidding. LOL
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484. IKE
Help needed....???

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Quoting StormFreakyisher:
Loop-de-loop?Like Hurricane Jeanne?
IF it does, which I am not convinced, it is just delaying the inevitabke, a path to the NE out of here...
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I'm starting to become skeptical on 94L if it will survive or not.
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:



How to start your own blog, and add blog images and links

http://wiki.wunderground.com/index.php/WunderBlogs

thanks
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Quoting tornadodude:
hey, how do i post an image? thanks



How to start your own blog, and add blog images and links

http://wiki.wunderground.com/index.php/WunderBlogs
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Quoting Tazmanian:
94L is RIP



we have seen what 94L has done and all so looks like the mode runs are droping 94L has well


94L had a good life 94L has pass a way good bye far well well see you next time a round


No offense dude, but why does it seem like you're always wrong about everything?
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Quoting IKE:
GFDL and HWRF have not run on 94L since the 6Z runs.

Is it RIP time?



yup its RIP time
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how do i post an image?
thanks,
matt
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Quoting AllStar17:


Come on, Taz.





Blowup of convection right over the supposed center. If this is a trend.....94L may begin to develop more rapidly.
I believe it has a lot of consolidatiung to do before it strengthens...and for now, I definitely don;t see it doing anything rapidly.
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Quoting StormFreakyisher:
Loop-de-loop?Like Hurricane Jeanne?


Hopefully not.
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474. IKE
GFDL and HWRF have not run on 94L since the 6Z runs.

Is it RIP time?
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Loop-de-loop?Like Hurricane Jeanne?
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Danny is finally looking like he's getting his act together. But think Dr. Masters is right about the 'too little too late' thing.
The system is headed into cooler waters and will end up much like Bill imo. Don't see anything pulling it west.
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...With Danny's heavy thunderstorms all on the east side of the storm, it is unlikely that North Carolina or New England will feel tropical storm force winds from Danny when it scoots past on Saturday. Large swells from Danny creating high surf along the beaches of New England will be the primary hazard from the storm. Dr. Jeff Masters

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Quoting adjusterx:


Geez O Pete your just a furrball of fun since ya jumped on tonight, bad day at work??
nah, just been labeled the realist (which is not the norm on here lately) :) No harm meant to anybody by it.
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94L is finally getting more convection near the center moving to the west. The leading convection is giving the appearance that the wave is moving SW. Right now the wave is disorganized with some moderate convection in areas.
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Quoting Tazmanian:
94L is RIP



we have seen what 94L has done and all so looks like the mode runs are droping 94L has well


94L had a good life 94L has pass a way good bye far well well see you next time a round


Come on, Taz.



Quoting P451:


It depends on what is being focused on. The convection is racing WSW'ward it would seem. The Low Center is quite a bit east of that - and probably not moving as fast.

That'd be my guess - that they're paying attention to the Low center.

=====

805PM
A STRONG TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 37W/38W S OF 17N MOVING W NEAR
20 KT. A 1011 MB LOW IS ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 10N.
VISIBLE
SATELLITE IMAGERY AND SATELLITE DERIVED WINDS INDICATE BROAD
LOW-LEVEL CYCLONIC FLOW IN THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE AXIS
CONCENTRATED AROUND THE SURFACE LOW CENTER. THE WAVE/LOW ALSO
COINCIDE WITH A DEEP LAYER MOISTURE MAXIMUM OBSERVED IN TOTAL
PRECIPITABLE WATER IMAGERY. CONDITIONS APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR SLOW
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. THERE
IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...30 TO 50 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING
A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HRS. SCATTERED
MODERATE/STRONG CONVECTION IS FROM 7N-13N BETWEEN 38W-44W.



Blowup of convection right over the supposed center. If this is a trend.....94L may begin to develop more rapidly.
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So Danny may actually have an ace up his sleeve.
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Quoting robie1conobie:
the U hasnt done much of anything in recent memory
hmmm...and what did Louis Murphy say last year about the "U"...
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Quoting hunkerdown:
Exactly what is interesting about it ? Looks pretty lame, moving ENE to NE, with no real appearance of strngthening. It is truly holding on for dear life.


Geez O Pete your just a furrball of fun since ya jumped on tonight, bad day at work??
hey, how do i post an image? thanks
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Thanks P451!
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Quoting hurricane23:
94 really looking like a mess at the moment.Very broard ill defind mid/surface circulation.Models are not to agreesive at the moment.

Just something to watch but not looking good tonight.

adrian
I was beginning to think I was the only one.
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