Record -50°F confirmed for Maine; is this inconsistent with global warming?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:41 PM GMT on February 13, 2009

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The lowest temperature ever recorded in the state of Maine, a -50°F reading taken on January 16, has been confirmed as real, according to a press release issued by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and National Weather Service this week. The new record occurred at 7:15 a.m. Jan. 16 at a remote river gauge in Big Black River (see USGS image at right), about four miles from the Canadian border. It ties the record set in 1933 for New England's lowest temperature, set at Bloomfield, Vermont. The old Maine record was -48°F, set in 1925 at Van Buren. All-time state records are difficult to break. The last time a state record low was set occurred January 5, 1999, when Congerville, Illinois recorded -36°F. Only one state record high temperature has been set in the past the decade--the 120°F temperature measured in Usta, South Dakota on July 15, 2006.

All-time record lows are inconsistent with global warming, right?
An impressive cold wave hit the northern and eastern portions of the U.S. January 11-18, with 17 states reporting record daily lows. In addition to the coldest temperature ever measured in Maine, one station, Waterloo, Iowa, tied its 1962 record for all-time coldest temperature, when the mercury hit -34°F on January 16. If global warming is occurring, we should not expect to see very many all-time city or state records being set. The nation's January-December average temperature has increased at a rate of 0.12°F per decade since 1895, and at a faster rate of 0.41°F per decade during the last 50 years. This 2°F rise in temperature has undoubtedly allowed more high temperature than low temperature records to be broken. However, this is a low enough amount of warming that there should still be a few cold temperature records being set, since the weather is so highly variable.

The statistics support this position. The Waterloo, Iowa mark was only the second time this decade that an all-time record cold temperature has been set at a major U.S. city. The cities I consider are the 303 cities author Chris Burt tracks in his excellent Extreme Weather book. The cites chosen were selected based primarily on their length of weather records (all the records go back to at least 1948, with most going back to the 1800s), and include all the largest cities in the U.S. The only other all-time coldest temperature record set at these cities this decade was the -44°F recorded in Grand Forks, North Dakota on 1/30/2004. By contrast, 49 all-time high temperature marks have been set this decade (Figure 1).

Perhaps a better judge of the impact of global warming on extreme temperatures, though, is to look at record warmest and coldest months. Month-long records are more reflective of the climate than an extreme event lasting just a few days. No all-time coldest month records were at any U.S. cities during January 2009, and it was not even close. Despite the cold blast of Jan. 11-18, the month of January finished out above average in temperature for the lower 48 states. So far this decade, no U.S. major city has set an all-time coldest month record. The last time a coldest month record was set occurred in January, 1994 when Caribou Maine and Bayfield, Wisconsin recorded their coldest month. By contrast, there have been 61 all-time warmest month records set in those same 303 cities between 2000 and 2008 (Figure 1). The summer of 2007 alone saw 42 all-time high (or warmest month ever) records. Just one record was set in the summer of 2008.


Figure 1. Minimum and maximum temperatures records for the U.S. for 303 major stations. The image has been updated through January 2009 to include the one record low set that month. The original version of this image was for 2007, and I modified it to update it for four changes made in the 2008 data. The numbers for the decade of the 2000s are correct, but there are four (out of 606) records that need to be subtracted off some of the earlier decades. Note the the 1930s were the most extreme decade for total number of records set, but the 1920s were the least extreme. U.S. weather has a high degree of variability from decade to decade. Image credit: Chris Burt, Extreme Weather.

Are the pattern of U.S. temperature records due to the Urban Heat Island effect?
There have been 110 all-time high temperature or all-time warmest month records set at the 303 major U.S. cities this decade, and only two such low temperature records set. Is this disparity due to global warming, or the Urban Heat Island effect? The Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect occurs when development of former natural areas into pavement and buildings allows more heat to be trapped in cities, particularly at night. During the day, the UHI effect often leads to a slight cooling, since it can increase the amount of turbulence, allowing cooler air to get mixed down to the surface. For example, Moreno-Garcia (1994) found that Barcelona, Spain was 0.2°C cooler for daily maxima and 2.9°C warmer for minima than a nearby rural station.

However, temperature records are typically taken in parks and airports removed from the main heat-trapping areas of cities, and are not as strongly affected as one might expect. There are several reasons for this. One is that when tall buildings are present, they tend to block the view to the sky, meaning that not as much heat can escape upwards. In addition, the presence of moist vegetation keeps the atmosphere moister in park-like areas (which include the grassy fields near airports where temperature measurements are taken). This extra moisture helps cool the atmosphere on a local scale of tens of meters, due to latent heat effects (the energy required to convert liquid water to water vapor). Peterson (2003) found that "Contrary to generally accepted wisdom, no statistically significant impact of urbanization could be found in annual temperatures." The study used satellite-based night-light detection to identify urban areas. Recent research by Spronken-Smith and Oke (1998) concluded that there was a marked park cool island effect within the Urban Heat Island. They found that parks in typical cities in the U.S. have temperatures 1 - 2°C cooler than the surrounding city--and sometimes more than 5°C cooler. While the Urban Heat Island effect probably has contributed to some of the reduction in record low temperatures in the U.S. in the past decade, research by Parker (2004, 2006) and Peterson (2003) theorizes that Urban Heat Island effect is a factor ten or more less important than rising temperatures due to global warming.

Is the Urban Heat Island effect partially responsible for global warming?
Global warming is affecting the entire Earth, including rural areas far from cities, and the 70% of the world covered by ocean. Thus, the Urban Heat Island effect--if not corrected for--can cause only a small impact on the global temperature figures. Since the Urban Heat Island is corrected for, the impact on the observed global warming signal should be negligible. For instance, NASA uses satellite-derived night light observations to classify stations as rural and urban and corrects the urban stations so that they match the trends from the rural stations before gridding the data. Other techniques (such as correcting for population growth) have also been used. Despite these corrections, and the fact that the Urban Heat Island effect impacts only a relatively small portion of the globe, global warming skeptics have persistently used the Urban Heat Island effect to attack the validity of global warming. There are no published peer-reviewed scientific studies that support these attacks.

References
Parker, D.E., 2004, "Large-Scale Warming is not Urban", Nature 432, 290, doi:10.1038/432290a, 2004.

Parker, D.E., 2006, "A Demonstration that Large-Scale Warming is not Urban", J. Climate 19, pp2882-2986, 2006.

Peterson, T.C., "Assessment of urban versus rural in situ surface temperatures in the contiguous United States: No difference found", Journal of Climate, 16, 2941-2959, 2003.

Spronken-Smith, R. A., and T. R. Oke, 1998: "The thermal regime of urban parks in two cities with different summer climates. Int. J. Remote Sens., 19, 20852104.

The surface temperature record and the urban heat island, realclimate.org post, 2004.

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Wear your stripes proudly ;>)
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you one mean nasty little troll huh pangean
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Quoting RobDaHood:
323. cchsweatherman

Hey Man, haven't seen you in a while, probably my fault. Will definitely be checkin out the site...been so nice lately I really haven't had to worry much about "our" weather.


Not your fault. Been so busy over the past few months, especially now that I have a new girlfriend, that I haven't had much time to visit the blog.
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Quoting RobDaHood:
Anyone~ What's the name of the movie??

Who Killed the Electric Car?


My best guess...GM's Lawyers.


Hey Rob,
It we all go to your blog we could Drink hard liquor, smoke cigars, and cuss all we want..LOL
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Anyone~ What's the name of the movie??

Who Killed the Electric Car?


My best guess...GM's Lawyers.
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Hey CCHS

I am interested on creating a real website. I have already made several attempts, but were not very successful. The primary problem is that no one (excluding WU members) visit my website. Perhaps its is the lack of Search Engine Optimization (SEO).
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Quoting TampaSpin:


NOt trashing anyones reputation, the facts speaks for itself. And the facts and mistakes might save future lives!


I'm sorry, are you a member of the NTSB? They're the ones doing the investigation and, as far as I've heard, they haven't determined cause yet. Why is it that you think you know better than they? I'd suggest you hold your tongue, and stop with the slander, until the professionals determine a cause. Or maybe you should send an email to the NTSB and let them know that they're wasting their time; you've got it all figured out.
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327
violence where when

somebody told me to bring a stir stick

we were gonna do some stirring of the blog
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331. beell
Economic pressure on the human species is just as real and just as simple as any other density dependent factor. The pressure is slightly more sophisticated than that which applies to Paramicium, cockroaches, rats, etc. Simple. Not very glamorous is it? Hard to admit isn't it?
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323. cchsweatherman

Hey Man, haven't seen you in a while, probably my fault. Will definitely be checkin out the site...been so nice lately I really haven't had to worry much about "our" weather.
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Quoting TampaSpin:


Thanks CCHS, hopefully we won't be real busy but, don't count on that with LaNina getting stronger as it appears.


Yeah, been tracking the progress of the ENSO ever since hurricane season ended. Actually have discussed it with a professor at my campus. We're both concerned with the current trends toward a possible moderate La Nina event come hurricane season. We'll just have to wait and see.
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328. Skyepony (Mod)
Shep~ This isn't it but interesting..

GM famously killed its promising EV1 electric vehicle in 2003. Even earlier, in the late 1980s, it shelved a revolutionary, eye-catching solar vehicle, the Sunracer. "There's a myth out there that GM is a technological laggard, but that's not true," John DeCicco of the advocacy group Environmental Defense, told Time. "They just chose not to emphasize those kinds of products in their corporate strategy."

& looks like it's coming off the shelf..

Despite GM's heavy losses from buyout programs to trim a bloated workforce, the company now has about $30 billion in cash reserves to weather the current economic slowdown. Indeed, GM already is embarked on a strategy of rolling out a new hybrid vehicle every three months, on average, over the next two years, including the industry's first full-size sport utility

It was discussed in a documentery movie. A group had even test drove & loved a fleet of electric cars that GM took back & crushed. I was crushed they had bought out mass transit systems in citys just to dismantle them & force people to buy cars.. I had always owned GM vehicles. There was an inventer (he also made solar shingles) that sold the ultimate battery patent to GM distraught his invention wasn't helping anything..

Anyone~ What's the name of the movie??
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
nothing is free everthing has a price

So you think that it is reasonable that I be threatened with violence when I choose to express my opinion? All I can say is - "What a country." BTW - anyone know if theshepard owns a firearm?
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Quoting cchsweatherman:


Thanks. Been trying to get the website together before the next hurricane season. Got so many ideas for the site.

By the way, I love your blog since it has so many graphics that I use to create my forecasts. Keep up the great work.


Thanks CCHS, hopefully we won't be real busy but, don't count on that with LaNina getting stronger as it appears.
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Quoting pangean:
"theshepherd i do believe you did not think it would be Pilot error....It's about as bad as Pilot error can get....."

How about you wait until the flight crew has been buried, and the investigation into the crash has run it's course, before you try and trash their reputations?


NOt trashing anyones reputation, the facts speaks for itself. And the facts and mistakes might save future lives!
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i new it tampa wheres mnt we were talking the other night and i said they did some thing they should'nt have

thats means they spun straight down that explains the ne face from airport it landed facing that way as it spun all the way down after disengagement of auto control
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Quoting TampaSpin:


You too my friend! I just checked out your web site.......great job! Wow! I can't wait to see the finished product and i will definitely add you to my blog!


Thanks. Been trying to get the website together before the next hurricane season. Got so many ideas for the site.

By the way, I love your blog since it has so many graphics that I use to create my forecasts. Keep up the great work.
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"theshepherd i do believe you did not think it would be Pilot error....It's about as bad as Pilot error can get....."

How about you wait until the flight crew has been buried, and the investigation into the crash has run it's course, before you try and trash their reputations?
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Quoting cchsweatherman:
Been a long time since I've been on here. See that nothing much has changed here with continued debate on the "global warming" issue.

How have you been TampaSpin? Nice to see you again. Really looking forward to working with you during the next hurricane season since I've always loved your analysis and dedication.


You too my friend! I just checked out your web site.......great job! Wow! I can't wait to see the finished product and i will definitely add you to my blog!
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Quoting pangean:

It's bit unsettling when you realize how fixated some people are on violence. Definitely puts a chill on free debate.
nothing is free everything has a price
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theshepherd i do believe you did not think it would be Pilot error....It's about as bad as Pilot error can get.....
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Been a long time since I've been on here. See that nothing much has changed here with continued debate on the "global warming" issue.

How have you been TampaSpin? Nice to see you again. Really looking forward to working with you during the next hurricane season since I've always loved your analysis and dedication.
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"Ok pangean, put your jammies on have a glass of milk and come sit on my knee and I'll tell you a story....It was a joke."

I think I'll keep my distance, I've heard about online stalkers and I do believe that they are to be avoided. But maybe you can tell me where I can find that (cough, cough, nonexistent) power plant. Or that (cough, cough, nonexistent) CO2 based refrigeration system?

"The denialists and proponents of AGW share this one fallacy:
That we are not included in the simple laws of biology."


What are the laws of biology and when did they become simple? I can't believe I did all of that work in college before they came out with BioLite.

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Plane that crashed near Buffalo was on autopilot
Published - Feb 15 2009 06:50PM EST

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Two people hold flowers at a road block near the crash site of Continental Connection Flight 3407 in Clarence Center, N.Y., Sunday, Feb. 15, 2009.
The commuter plane that crashed near Buffalo was on autopilot until just before it went down in icy weather, indicating that the pilot may have violated federal safety recommendations and the airline's own policy for flying in such conditions, an investigator said Sunday.

Federal guidelines and the airline's own instructions suggest a pilot should not engage the autopilot when flying through ice. If the ice is severe, the company that operated Continental Flight 3407 requires pilots to shut off the autopilot.

"You may be able in a manual mode to sense something sooner than the autopilot can sense it," said Steve Chealander of the National Transportation Safety Board, which also recommends that pilots disengage the autopilot in icy conditions.

Automatic safety devices returned the aircraft to manual control just before it fell from the sky, Chealander said.



HOLLY CRAP ......the Lawsuits will kill this airline...Wow!
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315. Skyepony (Mod)
shep~ i've been trying to remember the name.. it'll come:)

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might be a little much
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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
its ok tampa did ya bring a stick


Hey i played Baseball will a 34" bat work...LOL
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its ok tampa did ya bring a stick
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Looks like i picked a bad time to log on...
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310. beell
The denialists and proponents of AGW share this one fallacy:

That we are not included in the simple laws of biology.
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For the first time in over a month, I have updated the CCHS Weather Center website. On the Florida Weather page, you will see that I have added local radars to each region.

Over the coming weeks, I'll be making some changes and adding new features to the website. I will updated you all as the changes are made to further improve the site.
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its not by choice beell its a forced hand and theres nothing i can do about it at all except take each day as a gift and treated as such

we all got it coming its nothing more than a matter of time
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Quoting pangean:

It's bit unsettling when you realize how fixated some people are on violence. Definitely puts a chill on free debate.

Ok pangean, put your jammies on have a glass of milk and come sit on my knee and I'll tell you a story....It was a joke.
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306. beell
Do your part KOG-Go early LOL
(j/k)
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by 2050 i'll be 85 if i am still here at all
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By the way Skyepony, your silence was deafening when I mentioned the "magic battery" that you told me a few weeks ago was sitting on a shelf at General Motors.
Still wearing the Tiger's stripe?
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Quoting KEHCharleston:
295. pangean You get the last word - anything added at this point would just be a re-hash.
he gets more than the last word much much more
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302. beell
Aw shucks ya'll. Don't worry about it. By the time we add another 3 billion people to the planet who wish to live as we do-it won't really matter what the temp is in 2050...
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Quoting theshepherd:

ROFLMAO
Shucks "Whaleboy", give it up. You know full well that some things are like slinkies. They're no fun at all until you push them down the stairs.

It's bit unsettling when you realize how fixated some people are on violence. Definitely puts a chill on free debate.
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Quoting KEHCharleston:
295. pangean You get the last word - anything added at this point would just be a re-hash.


Actually no. I think you just found yourself trying to defend an indefensible position and are trying to make a graceful exit. I'd say it's a wise choice. Have a good evening.
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Quoting theshepherd:

ROFLMAO
Shucks "Whaleboy", give it up. You know full well that some things are like slinkies. They're no fun at all until you push them down the stairs.


heheh true, with the two of them on here today I could have had a ball if I was not busy with work and reality.
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Ahh Rob, I am so disappointed in you.. I took this guy off his own personal number just to see this.. if I am quick he can go back to being number three on the list :)

ROFLMAO
Shucks "Whaleboy", give it up. You know full well that some things are like slinkies. They're no fun at all until you push them down the stairs.
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Quoting RobDaHood:
292. Skyepony

Thank you! I don't always agree with you, but I do respect you and your posts, and your attitude.

Orca,
Let it go...water off a duck...play nice.

Yes Dear :)
Skyepony is here also today?
I must be missing lots of fun then
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295. pangean You get the last word - anything added at this point would just be a re-hash.
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re: 290. KEHCharleston

"So... there are those who are aware of the AGW threat and Live Responsibly. And those who ignore the AGW threat and offer platitudes and stall tactics"

These are your words not mine. I'd encourage you to go by what I write, not what you may think I mean. Or what suits your purpose. Do you really think that you know my mind better than I do?

"The idea that it was a fabrication not made by any scientist is a bit revisioniest.

Fabrication? That's a serious allegation. Curious, is there some kind of rule here that folks are free to trash the scientists but never a harsh word for the people who post here? But seriously, you provide the abstract of a single paper to try and make... what point exactly? I certainly wouldn't comment on this without reading the whole paper, but show me where in that abstract you come up with global cooling is a done deal. Again, you seem to be basing your judgements on what you think what other people mean to say. There's also an issue with the layman trying to interpret scientific literature. We'd be a whole lot better off, in my opinion, if folks stuck to the facts and and left their imagination at home.

"Now, AGW proponents point to the scientific papers that disagreed with AGC as evidence that it was not really scientists as a group who got it wrong."

Where do you come up with this? The main evidence "that it was not really scientists as a group who got it wrong" is that there is no evidence (because it never happened) that scientists predicted "global cooling" back in the '70's. I'll be blunt here, stick to the facts, stop making things up and stop putting words in people's mouth's and we could maybe have a reasonable discussion.
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292. Skyepony

Thank you! I don't always agree with you, but I do respect you and your posts, and your attitude.

Orca,
Let it go...water off a duck...play nice.
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Quoting pangean:

Just curious what in my comments you perceive to be an attack? It seems that anytime an outsider, like myself, takes issue with comments posted here, it is characterized as an attack. Especially outsiders concerned about the threat of AGW. I certainly didn't perceive anything you posted as an attack on me. Whaleboy's posts, yes, but not yours. Also, I'm not seeing any enemies here - misguided, uninformed, ideological, maybe - but not enemies. You paint the world in very stark terms.


Ahh Rob, I am so disappointed in you.. I took this guy off his own personal number just to see this.. if I am quick he can go back to being number three on the list :)
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292. Skyepony (Mod)
bappit~ I think discussing AGW here has solved more than small problems & entertained. There has been alot of info & research about our climate & storms dug up & shared as a result. Not to mentions the sharing of how treating our planet better saves money in our wallet. Big oil & beyond has been spewing propaganda at us atleast back to the '70s & most likely from the start, after the 1st worlds fair when 2 diffrent cars were unveiled & people made their choice..electric~ but they only gave us gas~ since it was better for their bottom line.

Torn~ AGW goes far beyond CO2. Recent puplished articles say 3 of heating extra occures near the Artic because of soot~ another type of pollution. This is near 1/2 the recent excess heat there. Recent studies show more silvery species of crops cool more, like white roofs would help offset heat island effects some. I think the research on the contrails said they reduce temps by ~5F. & yeah avoiding a shift in climate is not gonna happen, since climate shifts happen naturally, but really no use in throwing polluting fuel on the shift~ since that would make it shift faster & we know the faster enviroments shift the harder it is for species to adapt to survive the shift.

Rob I commend you for jumping in. Good point & one mentioned in the osterage that socially it's a tough subject to talk about without bickering.

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ah still this crap huh back later much much later
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Quoting pangean:
"It is this notion, that only those who subscribe to AGW, live responsibly, that is so bothersome. It draws lines of me vs. them."

Sorry, but where did you get this? Please point out the specific language that I used that would lead you to this conclusion. I think the "me vs. them" mentality largely stems from mischaracterizations and distortion.
Quoting pangean:

Thing is, some of us started living responsibly a long time ago. Then there's the other folk that like to talk in vague generalities and platitudes - we need to study the issue, solutions will take a long time, who knows if AGW is really a problem . Lots of stall tactics. You offer a vague strategy - "the one of the realist." Sounds impressive but how does that translate into actually doing something to address the problem? Sorry, but I think we're way beyond platitudes.
So... there are those who are aware of the AGW threat and Live Responsibly.
And those who ignore the AGW threat and offer platitudes and stall tactics

Quoting pangean:
"Shoot, I was conservation aware back when scientist were predicting AGC (Cooling!)"

Sorry, but I just noticed this. Prime example of where the "me vs. them" mentality comes from. I've seem this claim made over and over again ad nauseam, and it is completely untrue. If you took the time to verify this claim, you realize that the global cooling nonsense was a fabrication of the media and not made by any scientists. If people would be a little more responsible about what they post, maybe we could have a more rational discussion of the issues.
I will agree that AGC may not have had the weight of scientists, that today's AGW thesis does. The idea that it was a fabrication not made by any scientist is a bit revisionist.
Science 9 July 1971:
Vol. 173. no. 3992, pp. 138 - 141
DOI: 10.1126/science.173.3992.138

Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols: Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate
S. I. Rasool 1 and S. H. Schneider 1

1 Institute for Space Studies, Goddard Space Flight Center, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, New York 10025

Effects on the global temperature of large increases in carbon dioxide and aerosol densities in the atmosphere of Earth have been computed. It is found that, although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. For aerosols, however, the net effect of increase in density is to reduce the surface temperature of Earth. Because of the exponential dependence of the backscattering, the rate of temperature decrease is augmented with increasing aerosol content. An increase by only a factor of 4 in global aerosol background concentration may be sufficient to reduce the surface temperature by as much as 3.5 %uFFFD K. If sustained over a period of several years, such a temperature decrease over the whole globe is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age.
Scientific papers may have been published which disagreed. However, during all that debate, I do not remember any scientist jumping at the chance to debunk the theory at the time. Legislation regarding the use of aerosols was based on this, so it was taken very seriously at the time.
Hindsight is 20/20. Now, AGW proponents point to the scientific papers that disagreed with AGC as evidence that it was not really scientists as a group who got it wrong.
In another 40 years, will the scientific community be pointing out the research that questioned AGW??
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There is only so much we can do as individuals to live more responsibly. The rest comes down to government leaders and corporations. We can encourage them to be more proactive, but it's a slow process, one which we don't really have control of. Regardless of whether you believe in GW or not there are things ALL of us can do to live "cleaner" (waste less, recycle more, drive less, buy more fuel efficient vehicles, etc, etc. etc.) But it's a matter of everyone, governments, corporations, and individuals doing these things together. I think what RobDaHood was trying to say is the LEAST we can do is our part of the equation. Take responsibility for our own actions, and hope that others can do the same. We don't well enough understand climate cycles to accurately predict what will occur in the future. All we can do while we are striving to reach these conclusions is our part. The rest is out of our hands. That's all I'm saying.
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