Opinion polls of climate change

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:04 PM GMT on January 28, 2009

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According to a 2007 Newsweek poll, 42% of Americans believe that "there is a lot of disagreement among climate scientists about whether human activities are a major cause" of global warming". I posed the same question to members of the wunderground community on Monday, and even higher 56% of them thought so. However, the results of a poll that appears in this week's edition of the journal EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union, reveals that the public is misinformed on this issue. Fully 97% of the climate scientists who regularly publish on climate change agreed with the statement, "human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures".



Figure 1. Response to the question, "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" The general public data come from a 2008 Gallup poll (see http://www.gallup.com/poll/1615/Environment.aspx). Image credit: EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union.

The anonymous poll was performed in late 2008 by Peter Doran, University of Illinois at Chicago associate professor of earth and environmental sciences, along with former graduate student Maggie Kendall Zimmerman. Doran and Kendall Zimmerman sought the opinion of the most complete list of earth scientists they could find, contacting more than 10,200 experts at universities and government labs around the world listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments. The 2-minute, two-question poll had 3146 responses (30.7% of those polled). Approximately 90% of the scientists who responded were from the U.S., and about 90% held a Ph.D. degree. Of these scientists, 5% were climate scientists who published more than 50% of all their peer-reviewed publications in the past five years on the subject of climate change. The authors noted that the survey included participants with well-documented dissenting opinions on global warming theory. Question #1 was, When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?" About 90% of all the scientists and 97% of the climate scientists said temperatures had risen. Question #2 was, "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" About 82% of all the scientists agreed, and 97% (75 of 77) climate scientists agreed. This contrasts with the results of a recent Gallup poll that suggests only 58% of the general public would answer yes. Interestingly, petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters in the new EOS poll, with only 47 and 64 percent, respectively, believing in human involvement.

In a press release on the study, author Peter Doran commented, "The petroleum geologist response is not too surprising, but the meteorologists' is very interesting," he said. "Most members of the public think meteorologists know climate, but most of them actually study very short-term phenomenon." He was not surprised, however, by the near-unanimous agreement by climate scientists. "They're the ones who study and publish on climate science. So I guess the take-home message is, the more you know about the field of climate science, the more you're likely to believe in global warming and humankind's contribution to it." Doran and Kendall Zimmerman conclude that "the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

Commentary
The scientists most involved in assessing the current state of the climate are the most likely to have the "pulse of the planet"--a deep understanding of how the climate works and where we are headed. If 97% of these scientists believe in significant human impact on the climate, then it is probably so. Why is there such a disparity, then, between what they believe, and what the public and other scientists, such as petroleum geologists, believe? Dr. Ricky Rood has some excellent commentary on this issue in his latest wunderground Climate Change blog, and I offer these three reasons:

1) There are a few good climate scientists (3%) that believe humans are not significantly impacting the climate. One tends to hear the beliefs of this tiny minority a disproportionate amount. This is primarily because the fossil fuel industry pumps millions of dollars into PR campaigns to make sure you hear these dissenting views. That's not to say that these scientists are paid lackeys of the fossil fuel industry--that is not the case. These scientists' point of view happens to coincide with arguments that would protect the profits of the fossil fuel industry, so naturally the industry spends a lot of money making sure you hear these points of view. The fossil fuel industry PR campaigns also emphasize the contrarian views of a handful of non-publishing scientists working for private think tanks, who provide a distorted, non-objective view of climate change science (e.g., the attempt to hide summertime Arctic sea ice loss by quoting irrelevant statistics about wintertime global sea ice). These efforts have been highly successful in casting doubt on what is an overwhelming (though not unanimous) consensus among climate scientists. The fossil fuel industry PR campaigns are similar to the ones run by the cigarette industry to cast doubt on the harmfulness of smoking. "Doubt is our product," a cigarette executive once observed, "since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy." I recommend a reading of the 2008 book, "Doubt is Their Product", which discusses the many efforts by industry over the years to cast doubt on established scientific facts in order to protect industry profits.

2) The media contributes to the disproportionate coverage of the dissenting views, since one can make a news story more compelling by dramatizing conflict and giving equal weight to both sides.

3) Many people have a deep-seated belief in the relative insignificance of humans on a planetary scale. Geologists, who take the long view of time over geologic history, are particularly prone to this. Indeed, the planet is vast, and we are but tiny ants crawling upon its surface during a brief moment in geologic time. However, when one works regularly with the data, it becomes apparent that human activities are beginning to substantially impact weather and climate. When presented with facts contrary to ones beliefs, a good scientist will check the facts extra thoroughly to verify their validity, but then abandon those beliefs that don't fit the facts. The facts as accepted by 97% of our top climate scientists are that atmosphere is but a relatively thin, fragile layer of volatile gases beginning to show unmistakable changes due to the geometric explosion in human population over recent centuries. Those effects are only now beginning to be detectable, which is why human-caused global warming is so controversial in the public's eye. I predict that twenty years from now, climate change will be so obvious that the controversy regarding human responsibility will be gone.


Figure 2. The atmosphere viewed edge on from space. Tall thunderstorm clouds can be seen on the right side of the image, silhouetted against an orange layer of lower atmospheric gases (the troposphere) back-lit by the sun, just below the horizon. Above this layer is the clear blue of the stratosphere and the blackness of space. Seen from space, one can appreciate the thinness and potential vulnerability of the layer of gases that make up our atmosphere. Image credit: NASA Space Shuttle Flight 6 on 4 April 1983.

How representative is this poll?
The findings of another, more in-depth poll of scientists done in 2007 pretty much agreed with this week's Doran/Zimmerman poll, but were much more interesting. The 2007 poll, conducted by Fergus Brown, Roger Pielke, Sr., and James Annan, attempted to assess whether "a significant set of climate scientists agree or disagree with the perspective of the role of humans within the climate system as reported by the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report". Out of the 1807 scientists in 53 countries who were contacted, 140 responded. Almost all respondents (at least 97%) concluded that the "human addition of CO2 into the atmosphere is an important component of the climate system and has contributed to some extent in recent observed global average warming". Among the other findings:

1) No scientists were willing to admit to the statement that global warming is a fabrication and that human activity is not having any significant effect on climate [0%].

2) The largest group of respondents (45-50%) agreed with the 2007 IPCC report.

3) A significant minority (15-20%) concluded that the IPCC overstated the role of the human role in affecting the climate.

4) A significant minority (15-20%) concluded that the IPCC understated the seriousness of the threat from human additions of CO2. Ten of the 140 respondents (7%) took the most pessimistic view that we are "seriously damaging the climate" and face "devastating consequences".

Here's the full text of the poll, which I've also put up on my latest wunderpoll to vote on, if you're a Weather Underground member:

Which one statement most nearly matches your personal opinion about the physical science basis of global warming, as exemplified by the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, Working Group 1 (WG1)? [If your personal opinion falls between two adjacent statements, please mark both]

1. There is no warming; it is a fabrication based on inaccurate/inappropriate measurement. Human activity is not having any significant effect on Climate. The data on which such assumptions are made is so compromised as to be worthless. The physical science basis of Anthropogenic Global Warming theory is founded on a false hypothesis.

2. Any recent warming is most likely natural. Human input of CO2 has very little to do with it. Solar, naturally varying water vapor, and similar variables can explain most or all of the climate changes. Projections based on Global Climate Models are unreliable because these are based on too many assumptions and unreliable data sets.

3. There are changes in the atmosphere, including added CO2 from human activities, but significant climate effects are likely to be all within natural limits. The 'scares' are exaggerations with a political motive. The undue emphasis on CO2 diverts attention away from other, important research on climate variability and change.

4. There is warming and the human addition of CO2 causes some of it, but the science is too uncertain to be confident about current attributions of the precise role of CO2 with respect to other climate forcings. The IPCC WG1 overestimates the role of CO2 relative to other forcings, including a diverse variety of human climate forcings.

5. The scientific basis for human impacts on climate is well represented by the IPCC WG1 report. The lead scientists know what they are doing. We are warming the planet, with CO2 as the main culprit. At least some of the forecast consequences of this change are based on robust evidence.

6. The IPCC WG1 is compromised by political intervention; I agree with those scientists who say that the IPCC WG1 is underestimating the problem. Action to reduce human emissions of CO2 in order to mitigate against serious consequences is more urgent than the report suggests. This should be done irrespective of other climate and environmental considerations.

7. The IPCC WG1 seriously understates the human influence on climate. I agree with those scientists who say that major mitigation responses are needed immediately to prevent catastrophic serious warming and other impacts projected to result from human emissions of CO2. We are seriously damaging the Earth's climate, and will continue to face devastating consequences for many years.



Figure 3. Results of the 2007 opinion poll by Fergus Brown, Roger Pielke, Sr., and James Annan of climate scientists, organized by question number (one to seven). In the USA, the mean response was 4.8, compared to 5.2 in all other countries, and 5.6 in EU countries.

Commentary
The majority of climate scientists polled believe the 2007 IPCC reports essentially "gets it right", which is in part why I like to refer to the IPCC report as representing "the official word" on climate. This report concluded that there was a greater than 90% chance that most of the observed global warming in the past 50 years was due to emission of greenhouse gases by human activity. However, there are substantial minorities that believe the IPCC underestimates or overestimates the potential impacts, and these voices need to be respected, as well.

Dr. Ricky Rood talks in greater depth on this issue in his latest wunderground Climate Change blog: "There are many thousands of scientists, and while large groups of individuals often share many like-minded values and beliefs, they are never in lockstep on the details of all aspects of their beliefs. It is not expected that in a community of thousands of scientists that there is a uniform chant of doctrine. This is especially true given the very nature of scientific investigation of an enormously complex system."

Other voices on climate scientist polls
Dr. James Annan's blog
Planet Gore
Realclimate.org.

Jeff Masters

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1127. EarthScienceMan
1:56 AM GMT on June 03, 2010
It is petroleum geologists who seem to be skeptpcal of global warming. I have been a geologist for the past 30 years and firmly believe in global warming. Check with the Geological Society of America on their stance - global warming is happening. Look at what the American Geological Institute says - global warming is happening. Geologists really do have a view of the long term and we know increased greenhouse gases will lead to increased warming. This shows up like a sore thumb in the geological record. From what I read it is meteorologists who doubt this. Check the poll from the NYT.
1126. N9WAT
5:45 PM GMT on May 01, 2009
First of all: Fully 97% of the climate scientists who regularly publish on climate change agreed with the statement, "human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures" is statistically flawed. It is analogous to surveying all psychics asking if they believe in the paranormal. Of course they do, they are making a living on that premise. Second, since when is science determined by an opinion survey? Third, any argument that starts with “everyone agrees this is true” is very suspect. Even if the statement is true and most everyone agrees, you are essentially saying “50 million Frenchmen can’t be wrong.” Not necessarily so.
1125. iceagecoming
8:48 PM GMT on February 05, 2009

UK in year in review December 2008

Maximum temperatures were generally below average and around 1 deg C below average across parts of southern England.

Provisionally, it was the coldest December since 1996 for England and Wales for maximum temperatures. Minimum temperatures were well below normal across almost all of the UK, by as much as 2 deg C in some western areas.

Provisionally, it was the coldest December since 1995 for Northern Ireland, 1999 for Scotland and 2001 for England and Wales.

Rainfall was below or well-below normal in most areas, only around 50% of normal over parts of England and Wales, but locally 150% in eastern Scotland.

Sunshine was above normal virtually everywhere, approaching double the normal amount in some parts of England.

Westleton (Suffolk) recorded a maximum temperature of 14.7 °C on the 20th.

Aviemore (Highland) recorded a minimum temperature of -12.9 °C on the 29th.

Copley (Co. Durham) recorded 21 cm of lying snow at 0900 UTC on the 4th

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/year_review/

BBC used to blow their horn on GW till the bloody snow shut down Heathrow.
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1124. surfmom
2:45 PM GMT on February 02, 2009
Look, I am one of the most nurturing people around here...... but I'm gonna shake some sense into that Groundhog -- could someone please schedule a do over -- Phil got it wrong!!!
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1123. surfmom
12:53 PM GMT on February 02, 2009
Bring On Spring...... I don't think the Groundhog heard you IKE -- could you please repeat that louder!!!
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1122. IKE
11:26 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Speaking of spring...Houston,TX.....

Friday through Sunday
Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower 70s. Lows around 60.
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1121. IKE
11:19 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting TampaSpin:
The developing Low is not going to far East with this High in this Place....It looks to me like the SuperStorm could still develop.....



Ain't happening....not over the NE USA and mid-Atlantic anyway...too far out-to-sea.

NYC,NY is calling for 1-3, maybe 4 inches of snow, at best.

Oh well, bring on spring. It won't be long now.
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1120. surfmom
11:13 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Thanks Vort - forwarded some of that information to a couple Polo Barns -- Best for the horses to be prepared.

Looking like a cold MUD Festival ahead for me
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1119. all4hurricanes
10:57 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Mornin it should snow on Tuesday yay
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1118. surfmom
10:53 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Morning Vort -- jumping there as we speak !!
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1116. surfmom
10:48 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Morning all Early birds -- Wow a surprise for me... waking up to the sound of rain drop pinging the sky light! 56 degrees in SWFL.. it would be so sweet if it rained all day... not only for the pastures.... but a day off from working the horses would make us all happy LOL
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1115. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
10:01 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
At 09:00 AM UTC, Tropical Depression Nine-F (1000 hPa) located at 16.0S 163.3E has 10 minutes sustained winds of 15-20 knots up to 25 knots within 120 miles from the center in the eastern semi-circle. The depression is reported as moving slowly. Position POOR based on Multispectral/Infrared with animation, latest Quikscat Pass, and peripheral surface observation. Sea surface temperature near the area is 31C.

TD NINE remains embedded in a monsoonal trough with strong shear over the system. Deep convection is displaced to the north of low level circulation. However, there are multiple eddies embedded in the trough. A 250 HPA subtropical ridge to the far south is expected to north in the next 36 hours, increasing upper diffluence. TD NINE may come under the influence of a retrogressing upper trough from the east as well. CIMMS indicates decreasing shear along the system expected southeast movement and is likely to enhance the development. A southeast surge exist to the south, while a northwest surge is developing to the northwest.

Global models has captured TD NINE and moves it south of southeast with slight intensification.

POTENTIAL FOR THE SYSTEM TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS LOW AND MODERATE THERE AFTER.
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1114. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
7:34 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Mauritius Meteorological Services
Tropical Cyclone Advisory Number TWO
PERTURBATION TROPICALE 08-20082009
10:00 AM Réunion February 2 2009
==================================

At 6:00 AM UTC, Tropical Disturbance 08R (1005 hPa) located at 15.6S 68.3E has 10 minute sustained winds of 20 knots with gusts of 30 knots. The disturbance is reported as moving west-southwest at 7 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T2.0

Forecast and Intensity
=======================
12 HRS: 15.8S 68.3E - 25 knots (Perturbation Tropicale)
24 HRS: 16.3S 66.0E - 30 knots (Depression Tropicale)
48 HRS: 17.4S 62.1E - 40 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modereé)
72 HRS: 18.1S 58.2E - 60 knots (Forte Tempête Tropicale)

Additional Information
========================

System is sheared with an ill-defined low level circulation center located east of the main convection. Environmental conditions are globally neutral. Located on the edge of the upper level ridge, the system is always undergoing a weak to moderate vertical wind shear and the low level is only fed by monsoon inflow at this time. Tomorrow along the day, conditions are expected to become more favorable due to improving feeding by a better monsoon flow and the build of subtropical high pressures. System should progressively be more under the upper level ridge with a decreasing vertical wind shear. 1200z and earlies 0:00z NWP models track the westward or west-southwestward on the northern edge of rebuilding subtropical ridge. Main difference with the 0000z run of yesterday is the faster motion. this is reflected in the present forecast, current forecast track is based on a consensus of CEP, UKMO, and a consensus of U.S. models. Intensification rate is slow for the next 48 hours and then a climatological rate.

INTEREST IN THE MASCAREGNAS ISLANDS SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

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1113. TampaSpin
6:17 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
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1112. Orcasystems
5:52 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
The storm is blowing up nicely! I wonder if they will bump up our prep probabilities much on the GA coast. They are only 40% now. Link


I am still hoping for snow in Florida :)
Surfmom has been praying for it.
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1111. Orcasystems
5:51 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting melwerle:


I don't get why the one team can hold the ball while the clock ticks down...i get baseball, hockey (GO FLYERS) AND such but football...welll..just kind of wonder why everyone doens't wear a cup...


I think they do
Mind you.. when you tackle with your head.. common sense is not necessarily your strong point.
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1109. melwerle
5:41 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting Orcasystems:
Heavy snow has fallen overnight across much of the UK and is disrupting travel - as forecasters warned of the most severe snow for six years.


I don't get why the one team can hold the ball while the clock ticks down...i get baseball, hockey (GO FLYERS) AND such but football...welll..just kind of wonder why everyone doens't wear a cup...
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1108. TampaSpin
5:34 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
The developing Low is not going to far East with this High in this Place....It looks to me like the SuperStorm could still develop.....

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1107. Orcasystems
5:32 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Heavy snow has fallen overnight across much of the UK and is disrupting travel - as forecasters warned of the most severe snow for six years.
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1106. TampaSpin
5:30 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting melwerle:
I like the cooking but forgive me if i say the game is boring...no team i like really (charger's fan) and bringing out dish after dish...even a couple of year's ago missed the janet jackson thing. however...loved prince - asked "did i really see that?"

Sorry - just not a football fan.


Don't feel left out....one of the wives knew nothing about the rules....and just could not figure out why one side could grab hold and tackle while the other could not......LOL!!
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1105. melwerle
5:27 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
I like the cooking but forgive me if i say the game is boring...no team i like really (charger's fan) and bringing out dish after dish...even a couple of year's ago missed the janet jackson thing. however...loved prince - asked "did i really see that?"

Sorry - just not a football fan.
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1104. stillwaiting
5:03 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting futuremet:


This system hasn't fully developed yet....the low developing in eastern Texas will help invigorate this system.

GFS 18z

The one in the Gulf will eventually be the dominant one, however.



there will be a surface low that will form over/near NC and then move offshore and combine w/the GOM low moving up the NE coastline...the NC low will be the one to watch if the surface low catches up w/the energy coming north from the GOM,we may get a "superstorm", its all timing!!!
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1103. TampaSpin
4:49 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting gordydunnot:
sorry for you 1098. Let it go.



I started cooking at Noon...along with my wife...We love it....we had 22 people at the house today......thank God i have a 75" HDTV......LOL
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1102. gordydunnot
4:34 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
sorry for you 1098. Let it go.

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1101. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
4:33 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
At 21:00 PM UTC, Tropical Depression Nine-F (1000 hPa) located near 15.2S 163.6E. Position FAIR based on Multispectral/Visible, recent QUIKSCAT, and peripheral surface observations. Sea surface temperatures is about 31C.

TD NINE is embeeded in a monsoonal trough, south of a developing convergence zone. The low level circulation center is exposed as strong shear over the system has displaced deep convection to the north. Upper diffluence is likely to increase as the 250 HPA subtropical ridge, currently to the far south, moves north in the next 48 hours. TD NINE may come under the influence of a retrogressing upper trough from the east as well. CIMMS indicates decreasing shear along the system forecast movement and is likely to enhance the development. Currently, a southesat surge exist to the south, while a northwest surge is developing to the northwest. Global models has captured TD NINE and moves it south or southeast with some intensification.

POTENTIAL FOR THE SYSTEM TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS LOW AND MODERATE THEREAFTER.
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1100. TampaSpin
4:30 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting futuremet:
Surface cyclogenesis is currently occurring at Texas, within a baroclinic and a mesoscale dryline zone. The developing low will gradually propagate eastward as an upper level ridge to its northwest steers it southward, and eventually west to wes-northwest as the amplifying upper level jet picks it up. This system will intensify as it arrives in the Gulf, and will help spark some convective storms over parts of the south, because cape values are expected to reach near 1000 J/Kg. This will be a vigorous system, and will also bring much needed rain for FL. However, the atmospheric dynamics doesn't seem to support "super storm" development here....Maybe this spring lol


What dynamics is missing? We will have a strong surface circulation.....We have a flow of a very humid lower winds coming from the SW from the Bermuda High....We will have an advancement of a cold front coming also to bring instability.....Hummm....i'm not saying its perfect but,....their is certainly alot of dynamics in place than not in place....IMO.
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1099. TampaSpin
4:20 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Redoubt Volcano Latest Observations
2009-02-01 18:11:00

Seismic unrest continues at Redoubt. Seismic activity is still well above normal background levels and is holding steady. The volcano has not erupted.

Weather conditions are clear at the volcano and a steam plume is visible rising above the summit crater in the web camera.
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1098. melwerle
4:16 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
if you're in the kitchen cooking all day - it is B-O-R-I-N-G...
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1097. TampaSpin
4:14 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting RMM34667:
OH YEAH.. I WIN..


Email me your mailing address!
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1095. RMM34667
4:11 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
OH YEAH.. I WIN..
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1094. TampaSpin
4:06 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
The winner of the Super Bowl Pool was

KEHCharleston
Team Picked--Cardinals
Total Points Combined--52
Winning Team Points--32

tkeith
Team Picked--Cardinals
Total Points Combined--27
Winning Team Points--17

RMM34667===============WINNER
Team Picked--Steelers
Total Points Combined--39
Winning Team Points--27
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1093. TampaSpin
4:03 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
It looks like the Low is further North in the GOM than models had predicited......that could bring it closer up the Coast also...

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1092. RMM34667
3:59 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
I am so tired of this debate. Who cares if man causes global warming or not. What difference does it make it Global Warming is real or not. The fact is we treat this planet like a big dump yard. What ever the incentive we need to clean up our act. Who really wants to breath these toxic fumes anyway. Our oceans are full of plastic, our river are full of chemicals. Why debate that we need to start thinking about our effects on the environment. I don't care why we do it.. Let's just do it.
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1091. TampaSpin
3:58 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Ok as i mentioned on my Blog about the Bermuda High and where it will be if the High sits in this position then this Storm will be a Monster going up the Eastern Coast.....

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1090. gordydunnot
3:51 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
I will say this about football/ tonight's game was one of the best I have seen considering the consequent s of the outcome. Most are much more boring unless you have a local team in the game. But this game does show you how life is a game of inches.
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1089. TampaSpin
3:50 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting melwerle:
ok...superbowl is wayyyy boring tonight, and then just decided to see if i could still score some tickets to the dead show in NC...OMG...talking about a time warp - tickets for BEHIND the stage, crappy seats are 65/piece. I've seen a bunch of shows and my GOD how things have changed...I remember 19/piece and it was a g/a show - everyone was easy and the show was a great show - the GOOD seats at 150 ...too expensive for my taste...me and the daugther will paints signs asking for "Miracle Tickets


Sorry but, that was not a boring football game.....WOW what a great game....
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1088. calusakat
3:43 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting lickitysplit:
calusakat, what shocks me is the number of people on this blog who, while claiming to be dedicated to science, are so beholden to their right wing beliefs that they cant actually look at the science and instead continually trot out debunked crud. Its amazing.


Is John Casey really debunked though? What if that was what he wanted all along?

What if his intent was to show just how far into the world of fantasy the AGW group has gone.

What better way than to prepare a view that is about as opposite a possibility as one could think of.

The AGW crowd apparently thinks that the general scientific community is a bunch of lemmings who will blindly believe them when they lump fifty year old data from instruments with low resolution, compared to todays instruments, together with data from the last decade gathered from instruments with much a higher resolution.

All the while, boldly ignoring the vastly differing resolution and expecting us to swallow their claim that it is all accurate, comparable data.

Lumping together data between two different systems is like putting together photographs with greatly differing resolutions and telling us they all look the same. 72 dpi resolution and 300 dpi resolution have nowhere near the same clarity. Using the AGW mentality, both resolutions contain the same information. Never in a million years!! The 300 dpi images carry much more information than the 72 dpi images.

Like I said, they must be living in a fantasy world.
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1087. Orcasystems
3:42 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting pottery:
Orca, how can you say that cricket is boring.
You get to play for 5 days, if it does not drizzle, and watch the same thing over and over and over, and at the end, its a draw.
That's Brilliant, surely !
heheheh


I think I will stick to Hockey :)
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1086. sugarsand
3:42 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting melwerle:
oh and side comment...bruce springsteen needs a bigger vest...

LOL, yes!
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1085. pottery
3:40 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Orca, how can you say that cricket is boring.
You get to play for 5 days, if it does not drizzle, and watch the same thing over and over and over, and at the end, its a draw.
That's Brilliant, surely !
heheheh
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1084. GeoffreyWPB
3:36 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
agree orca..cardinals did lose it due to penalties...they both are great teams and deserve accolades
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1083. all4hurricanes
3:34 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Good night all
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1082. Orcasystems
3:33 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting Orcasystems:


Quoting Orcasystems:


I must admit... if Redoubt blows... I would not want to be in anchorage.. or across the bay either... I hate fallout. I was in Portland when Helen had her hissy fit
As for who won.. From what I saw..no one won it.. but a team did loose it
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1081. melwerle
3:31 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
oh and side comment...bruce springsteen needs a bigger vest...
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1080. Orcasystems
3:31 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
lol orca..i work for the Rooney family...if Rebound does blow, what is the worse that can happen? Pittsburg wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I must admit... if Redoubt blows... I would not want to be in anchorage.. or across the bay either... I hate fallout. I was in Portland when Helen had her hissy fit
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1079. melwerle
3:30 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
in defense of my football is way boring - it was kinda and then the last bit of it was kind of interesting. Maybe half the reason I think it's dull is cause i'm the one in the kitchen banging out the food. All night LONG.

And to post 1064...yes, Garcia would have been worth paying that for - saw him MANY times and at way cheaper prices. But dang...I might as well go see RatDog for that much and get way better tickets and see the same crap without Lesh and whatever the next keyboard player is to crash and burn.

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1078. GeoffreyWPB
3:27 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
lol orca..i work for the Rooney family...if Rebound does blow, what is the worse that can happen? Pittsburgh wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1077. Orcasystems
3:27 AM GMT on February 02, 2009
Quoting pottery:
Wrong quote there, Orca. post 1073
But I understood it anyway.
Did not watch the game, but reading the ticker on the BBC it sounded like there was some excitement in the last few mins.
I really do not understand that game anyway.......


Its right up there with cricket on excitement... probably runs a close second to lawn bowling
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