Averaging together antarctic and arctic sea ice hides an important truth

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:37 PM GMT on January 15, 2009

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Since my last post designating arctic sea ice loss as the top climate story of 2008, I've heard a lot comments like this one: "Jeff, you just can't seem to understand the that man-made global warming is a fable and complete hoax. In all that blathering about the falsified IPCC reports and the study of the arctic ice sheet, you somehow neglected to mention that the ice recovered not only what it lost last year, but is now larger than the previous known record measured in 1978".

Well, I can understand this point of view, given complexity of the climate change issue, and the large amount of conflicting information one sees in the media. Let's look at the facts about global sea ice. You can look at the data yourself at the excellent University of Illinois Cryosphere Today web site. Reliable sea ice records go back to 1979, when satellite measurements began. Antarctic sea ice reached its greatest extent on record during the winter of 2007. Summertime ice coverage also increased in 2007-2008 compared to 2006 levels (Figure 1). However, as one can see from Figure 1, there is high variability in antarctic sea ice from winter to summer, and antarctic sea ice can best be described as having stayed constant since 1979 (as stated in the 2007 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The IPCC did find that there had been a significant decline in arctic sea ice, in all seasons, between 1979-2006. Despite this decline, there have been three periods during the past two years when the sum of the arctic and antarctic sea ice was the same or even higher than it was at the start of the satellite era (1979). An article published January 1 on Daily Tech noted that "global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago". This was pretty close to the truth on December 31, 2008, despite the fact that arctic ice was 1 million km^2 below 1979 levels, since antarctic ice was 0.5 million km^2 above 1979 levels. Although arctic sea ice extent has steadily declined since 1979, especially in summer, this decline is not as great during the winter months. One can find periods in winter when summing together antarctic and arctic sea ice area makes it appear that arctic sea ice loss is no big deal.

However, this is the wrong way to look at the issue. We don't care much about global sea ice in winter. We care about arctic sea ice in the summer. Sharp declines in summertime arctic ice are likely to cause significant and damaging alterations to Earth's climate. Cleverly quoting irrelevant facts about global wintertime sea ice data to hide the summertime loss of arctic sea ice is a tremendous disservice. It's like hiding the potential impact of a major hurricane in a one-week forecast by saying, "the average peak wind speed for the next seven days will be 17 mph", and neglecting to mention that the wind will be calm six of those days, but 120 mph on the other day. The loss of arctic sea ice the past two summers, is, in my view, the most important human-caused climate change event yet--even more significant and dangerous than the opening of the antarctic ozone hole in the 1980s. It's great that we're not seeing loss of sea ice in Antarctica. But, both the Antarctic and the Arctic can be thought of as important internal organs in our living Earth. The fact that the Antarctic has not undergone significant warming and sea ice loss in no way diminishes the urgency with which climate scientists view the diseased state of our Arctic. Fully 88 presentations on arctic sea ice were made last month at the world's largest scientific climate change conference, the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in San Francisco. None of these scientists averaged together the arctic and antarctic sea ice together to show that the overall state of Earth's cryosphere was a healthy one. There was widespread concern for the health of the Arctic among all the scientists I spoke with, and none of the speakers at the talks I attended expressed the idea that the recent melting of arctic sea ice was predominantly natural, with human-caused climate change an insignificant factor. One view (Stroeve et al., 2007) is that human-emitted greenhouse gases are responsible for 47-57% of the arctic sea ice loss since 1979. Heat-absorbing black soot from fires and pollution settling on the white ice is thought to also be a significant contributor.


Figure 1. Antarctic sea ice area as observed via satellite since 1978. The maximum area in winter has ranged between 14-16 million square kilometers, about the same amount of ocean that the Arctic ice covers in winter. However, the antarctic sea ice almost entirely melts away in summer, something the Arctic sea ice does not do (yet). Antarctica is a huge continent that rises thousands of feet above the ocean. It holds about 90% of the world's fresh water, locked up in its massive ice cap. The presence of such a titanic block of ice at the bottom of the world completely dominates the weather and climate of the region, and the year-to-year fluctuations of sea ice don't have a lot of impact on temperatures there. Image credit: University of Illinois Cryosphere Today.

What is the current state of Antarctic climate?
At the December 2008 AGU meeting, scientists gave Antarctica a mixed bill of health. Isabella Velicogna of UC Irvine reported that satellite gravitational variation measurements of Antarctica's ice cap showed significant loss of ice between 2002-2008, but that the large natural variations in melting with the seasons made it difficult to be confident of the results. A somewhat different result was reported by J. Zwally of NASA. Using data from a higher-resolution satellite-borne laser altimeter, he found that there was no major loss of Antarctica's ice sheet between 2003-2007. Regardless of which data set is correct, Antarctica is in better shape than the Arctic because Antarctica has stayed relatively cool in recent decades (Figure 2). For example, the surface temperature at the South Pole cooled 0.05° C between 1980 and 1999 (Kwok and Comiso, 2002). The majority of Antarctica has shown no statistically significant warming over the past 50 years (Turner et al., 2005), and cooling has just been dominant between 1982-2004. In the period 2004-2007, much of the Antarctic warmed (Figure 3), but it is too early to say if this is the beginning of a warming trend. Check out the January 22 issue of Nature when new results about whether or not Antarctica is warming will be published.


Figure 2. Antarctic surface temperatures as observed via AHVRR satellite measurements between 1982 and 2004. Much of Antarctica cooled during this period. Image credit: IPCC The Physical Science Basis, Figure 3.32.


Figure 3. Antarctic surface temperatures as observed via AHVRR satellite measurements between 1981 and 2007. Note that the cooling trend observed from 1982-2004 reversed, thanks to warming from 2004-2007. Image credit: NASA

Why did Antarctica cool between 1982 and 2004 if there was global warming going on?
The weather of the Antarctic is dominated by a strong band of westerly winds that blow around the pole. This circumpolar vortex extends from the surface to the stratosphere, and can attain very high wind speeds, thanks to the absence of large land masses to slow it down. This vortex tends to isolate Antarctica from the rest of the globe, keeping global warming from influencing Antarctica's weather, and allowing the surface to cool. The Antarctic Peninsula, which sticks out from Antarctica towards South America, frequently lies outside the vortex. This has allowed the peninsula to warm significantly, compared to the rest of Antarctica (Figures 2 and 3). The antarctic circumpolar vortex has strengthened in the past 25-30 years, forming an even stronger barrier than usual. Tree ring records (Jones and Widman, 2004) suggest that the circumpolar vortex has shown similar strengthening in the past, so the current cooling trend in Antarctica may be natural.

Another possibility, favored by climate modelers, is that the strengthening of the circumpolar vortex and recent cooling in Antarctica are primarily due to a combination of the recent increase in greenhouse gases and the opening of the Antarctic ozone hole. The ozone hole opened up at about the same time as the recent cooling began. Ozone absorbs UV radiation which heats the atmosphere around it, so the absence of ozone has led to cooling in the stratosphere over Antarctica. This cooling has been about 10° C in October-November since 1985 (Thompson and Solomon, 2002). This has acted to intensify the circumpolar vortex, leading to surface cooling. If the climate modelers are right, the circumpolar vortex will weaken as the ozone hole diminishes in coming decades. This will allow the Antarctic to begin warming with the rest of the globe, in a decade or two.

References and resources
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), 2007, The Physical Science Basis.

Jones, J.M., and M. Widman, "Atmospheric science: Early peak in Antarctic oscillation index," Nature 432, 290-291 (18 November 2004) | doi:10.1038/432290b; Published online 17 November 2004.

Kwok, R., and J.C. Comiso, "Spatial patterns of variability in Antarctic surface temperature: Connections to the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode and the Southern Oscillation", GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 29, NO. 14, 10.1029/2002GL015415, 2002.

Thompson, D.W.J., and S. Solomon, "Interpretation of Recent Southern Hemisphere Climate Change", Science 3 May 2002: Vol. 296. no. 5569, pp. 895 - 899 DOI: 10.1126/science.1069270.

Stroeve, J., M.M. Holland, W. Meier, T. Scambos, and M. Serreze, Arctic sea ice decline:Faster than forecast", GRL 34 L09501, doi:1029/2007GL029703, 2007.

Turner, J. et al., 2005, "Antarctic climate change during the last 50 years", International Journal of Climatology, Volume 25, Issue 3, pp 279-294.

Arctic sea ice

"Antarctic cooling, global warming?" RealClimate.org post, 3 December 2004.

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Quoting melwerle:
Thank you!

Now I have to go into town and try to find these - my sailing gloves SUCK compared to these - these actually have FINGERS and are made from neoprop instead of leather...hoooooray...!!!

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No, thank you, that link was great, they look better than the "oil gloves" we are using!
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I used spaghetti sauce and progressive, but still feel better, so on with the golf shirt and to the linx for the remainder of the day. Thanks for the suggestion. It is a bit cold ( 60 here) but I will get over it. Be well
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315. Ossqss 10:12 AM PST on January 16, 2009
Sorry, on a conference call and effectively bored stiff. I will cease and desist. Farewell cruel world.


just drink a V8...or switch your auto insurance to Geiko...that should make you feel better...

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Sorry, on a conference call and effectively bored stiff. I will cease and desist. Farewell cruel world.
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Quoting Ossqss:
Confusion only exists in the mind that does not possess the knowledge to make the right decision. IE> I think I am indecisive, but not really sure.


LOL.
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wow...that's a first...Mr. Spock killed the main blog....

;)
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Confusion only exists in the mind that does not possess the knowledge to make the right decision. IE> I think I am indecisive, but not really sure.
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Live long and prosper
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We must detach feelings from fact in order to see clearly.

thank you Mr. Spock.
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BTW, the satellites were placed for national security purposes, not sea ice observation. We must detach feelings from fact in order to see clearly.
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306. Skyepony (Mod)
atmo~sorry typo 1000s should be 100s & yes the british navy kept at it every summer, looking for a lost ship, many have made it their life's quest. As for the Inuit they have lived in the area roughly 1000years, not decades. They are living the results 1st hand..

The Inuit have no voice at the conference, since they are not a nation state, but Mrs Watt-Cloutier said: "We are already bearing the brunt of climate change - without our snow and ice our way of life goes. We have lived in harmony with our surroundings for millennia, but that is being taken away from us
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Thank you!

Now I have to go into town and try to find these - my sailing gloves SUCK compared to these - these actually have FINGERS and are made from neoprop instead of leather...hoooooray...!!!

Link
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RE: 302. RTLSNK

Thanks! Lot of options there.
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No one can dispute that reconds kept by cave men about sea ice are the most accurate available. Just like the records kept on global temps over the last 1000 years. Place not your trust in someones projection / interpretation of fact, but in the fact itself. Science is based upon fact not stories. The assertion that we can extrapolate missing historical data from 20 years worth of observation is rediculous. Hence why so many are easily mislead by the few.
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Quoting KEHCharleston:


Any mountain climbers out there? What sort of gloves do you use?


I am not a "cold weather" climber, meaning climbing mountains covered with snow and ice is not something I have ever done nor would I want to. Do have knowledge and personal military experience in mountain climbing, using ropes for various types of ascents or descents. Gloves for these purposes come in different versions for use with ropes for various weather conditions. Can usually be found today on the net sold by companys catering to that sport. My experience with motorcycles for the last forty years may be as helpful. We ride in colder temps than most bikers simply because we are better prepared. Gloves for below freezing are called Artic Gloves. They are the long gaunlet types that go over the outside of your heavy jacket so air does not penetrate your jacket sleeves. They are useless for cold weather riding in temps above freezing when it begins to rain however. That has always been the problem. Solved it with Playtex gloves from the grocery store. They come in different types from the standard just to keep your hands from getting wet, to stronger types to keep Bleach and house hold chemicals off your skin. Problem is they get cold fast. A set of woolen inserts solves that problem. For winter use I buy the Gas Tanker Driver Rubber Gloves sold at most big truck stops, because they are heavier and the palms are covered with a sandpaper texture for gripping the gas hoses they have to handle when delivering to gas stations. Buy a size larger than your winter gloves on your hand, tuck the flaps under your rain parka so water doesn't flow down and into the gloves. They are much cheaper than fancy mountain gloves, and should do the trick.
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Where do you get off pretending that ships haven't been easily passing through a wide open nw passage the last two summers like never before in written history?

I didn't say that...which means that I didn't say that. But are you claiming that it is completely impossible that they are not simply benefiting from what could be a combination of normal ice extents and satellite information (keep reading before you answer)?

Quoting Skyepony:
atmo~


It's been a human quest to find this fabled passage wide open every summer for 1000s of years with no luck til now. There is people that live up there. They have been conserned with diminishing ice for decades. Satalites were purposely put up to measure the melting because we knew it was changing by ground observations & wanted to measure exactly how much.




Every summer? Starting at exactly the right moment when a channel might be open for a week or 2? Before satellites could tell them that they wouldn't get trapped, freeze, and die?

There aren't that many people up there and haven't been in the past, either. We cannot actually claim that the NW passage hasn't ever been open before in the last few hundred years (when we cared) nor that it is open far more now than further back in the planet's past.

(I would lay money down saying it was, especially in the Medieval Warm Period.)

My real concern is that we are drawing way too many conclusions by comparing the average of that limited satellite period to current observations. I don't supposed that can change until we have measured it for another 60 years, at a minimum.

As to people on the ground noticing less ice, we all know that amplitudes and movements of the semi-permanent highs can change which way the prevailing wind blows, and, thus, disperse ice earlier and/or blow some of it out to the Atlantic or Pacific.
And those dominant features are absolutely connected to natural cycles. Therefore, a few decades of people on the shores making obs about when the ice broke still means a whole lot of nothing.
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Quoting AtsaFunnyToo:


REI Thermo Gloves/Mittens



Thanks AtsaFunnyToo
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Quoting KEHCharleston:


Any mountain climbers out there? What sort of gloves do you use?


REI Thermo Gloves/Mittens

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298. Skyepony (Mod)
atmo~We do not know if 1979-2000 was itself a period of anomalously high sea ice extents.
Maybe sea ice extents have been normal for the last 10 years. How do we know and where do we get off pretending we do?


Where do you get off pretending that ships haven't been easily passing through a wide open nw passage the last two summers like never before in written history? It's been a human quest to find this fabled passage wide open every summer for 1000s of years with no luck til now. There is people that live up there. They have been conserned with diminishing ice for decades. Satalites were purposely put up to measure the melting because we knew it was changing by ground observations & wanted to measure exactly how much.
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Quoting melwerle:
34 here in Savannah this morning. We are going to FREEZE tomorrow racing the boat. Ugh...I guess that is why they call it "the frigid digit" series...was kind of hoping for 75 and sunny.


Here in the UK where it's a "temperate" clime -ie seldom colder than -10C at night, maybe up to 14C on mild days - sailboat races at this time of year are called Icicle races! Anyone trying it this weekend could get quite a turn of speed, as winds at the northern end are forecast gusting to 70mph. Temperate climate also means that for much of the country, it doesn't often make 75(f) and sunny for more than a few days at a time in summer. *sigh*
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Quoting melwerle:
I can't wear the warm gloves (like mittens) because they won't grip on the ropes...if you know of any that are actually warm, tell me where to find them!!!



Any mountain climbers out there? What sort of gloves do you use?
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295. unf97
Low temp at my home for this morning 31 degrees in North Jax. Current temp at noon 41 degrees.
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Quoting melwerle:
I can't wear the warm gloves (like mittens) because they won't grip on the ropes...if you know of any that are actually warm, tell me where to find them!!!


Ahh.. Perhaps someone will have an idea.
I was once told that wet wool socks give better insulation from the cold than other wet socks. - So of course I had to test that theory, by hanging my feet over the side into the water one winter. They were right - wet wool is pretty amazing actually.
Best bet is to keep the feet dry though, lol
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Sullivan - I know you can still get lake effect snow from a frozen lake, as we often do, but for this area, the intensity of these squalls is not the same. I know, I've lived here for over 50 years. But thanks for the great info. ( I'll never forget the blizzard of 1978- yesterday was the 31st anniversary. Barometer reach all time record low here at 28.28.)
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"First, I'm certainly no expert here, but I thought that the PDO index is negative right now."
Correct!
Why would we be comparing the Arctic ice extent a week from now to the "norm" for that date in a positive PDO? Second, what is the "norm" Arctic ice extent during a positive PDO on January 22 and where can I find this information?"

That is exactly hat we are doing, though. We are comparing the current values to an average that is primarily populated by values measured during a positive PDO condition. That average is in the plot I posted.

"What I said was that making a bet that the anomaly would be negative a week from now when it has already been negative for years seems pretty safe. Again, why would anyone think that it would turn positive in the next seven days?"

I said further negative in the next week. I couldn't see anyone expecting a positive anomaly soon against that baseline.

"This seems like a spurious argument to me. Every time that I've seen a plot of ice extent anomalies, it's been clearly defined as relative to the 1979-2000 mean. Words and phrases are frequently used in the realm of science with different meanings than you'll find in Merriam-Webster. You have to pay attention to how they are defined in a particular context. Certainly no reasonable person with a scientific background would interpret this data as being presented as representative of conditions over thousands of years."

We somewhat agree on this, too. My point is that the base period to define the norm HAS to be paid attention to, but too often is left out of discussion. An average of thousands of years as a baseline would provide a far better climactic measuring stick than calculating an anomaly based on only 1979-2000. We do not know if 1979-2000 was itself a period of anomalously high sea ice extents.
Maybe sea ice extents have been normal for the last 10 years. How do we know and where do we get off pretending we do?
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I can't wear the warm gloves (like mittens) because they won't grip on the ropes...if you know of any that are actually warm, tell me where to find them!!!

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Yes humans affect things , but much less than touted by the Al Gore folks who have made billions misleading the unknowing with opinion and no real relevent data. You cannot take a few years of data from a dynamic planet that is billions of years old and conclude anything. Fotrunately, not everyone is fooled.





"and today, ve vill study the Al Gore theory: one sore loser + world tour on GW = cha-ching!"


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Quoting lakeEFX:
Minus 12 here in northern ohio overnight; a balmy -3 out right now. The only good to come out of this artic airmass is that Lake Erie is now mostly frozen over- putting an end to the lake effect snows.



You can still get lake effect with a frozen lake...

Latent heat passes easily through the ice to provide the necessary thermodynamics for lake effect snow. However, the airmass aloft has to be much colder than what it would normally take to produce them. Also, one would need a longer fetch and a more pronounced cyclonic flow pattern.

With the lake frozen over the possibility also increases for blizzards coming off the lake from accumulated snowfall on top of the ice. Case in point, the blizzard of 1977, which has a chance or repeating itself this winter given the proper pattern.
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Quoting melwerle:
no kidding surfmom - for the first time, I'm not looking forward to spending the day out on the water.

Sounds like neither one of us will be having any glamour shots taken - can't wear gloves on the boat, and my jacket is HUGE and ugly. There will be no "looking cute" tomorrow for either of us, I'm sure.


Why can't you wear gloves on the boat?
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Minus 12 here in northern ohio overnight; a balmy -3 out right now. The only good to come out of this artic airmass is that Lake Erie is now mostly frozen over- putting an end to the lake effect snows.
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no kidding surfmom - for the first time, I'm not looking forward to spending the day out on the water.

Sounds like neither one of us will be having any glamour shots taken - can't wear gloves on the boat, and my jacket is HUGE and ugly. There will be no "looking cute" tomorrow for either of us, I'm sure.

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I have been watching the barometric pressure rise for the last few days, and became curious as to the highest pressure on record in Charleston.
In the lower 48, Charleston, South Carolina has the highest pressure changes, with a 27.64 to 30.85 inches in mercury (935.99 to 1044.70 millibars) range. (source)

So the record high was 30.85, it is now 30.64 and still rising.
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My car was cold in the driveway this morning but all my plants were warm in the garage. The sacrifices we Floridians have to make...
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Good morning,

I do not know what the low was for the morning, but at 10:25EST, it has yet to make it above freezing.

Today we will not see 40F, for sure. I am dreading the trek to work tomorrow. The low tonight/tomorrow morning on the peninsula is predicted to be 22F. To my way of thinking, no one should leave her house until we hit above freezing. (Sigh)
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Quoting melwerle:
34 here in Savannah this morning. We are going to FREEZE tomorrow racing the boat. Ugh...I guess that is why they call it "the frigid digit" series...was kind of hoping for 75 and sunny.


Oh geeze Mel -- that sounds like a Torture Session to me!!!! I surely will try not to complain while working the horses out tomorrow --it's so hard for my cold fingers to change out tack -- can not fathom how you get yours to work......

and the runny nose -- no way to blow my nose or catch the run off holding a crop/whip in one hand and the reins in another..... no glamour photo shoots this week!!
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Quoting GBlet:
Someone needs to go gather the frozen beach bunnies! Poor things...


help! help! and take us to a much warmer latitude
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A few reports from northern Maine pegged the temperature at -50°F this morning!!

Lowest reading I saw on an ASOS was -44°F at Clayton Lake!


Though not as cold as this current airmass is, another arctic blast will be coming down the pike next Friday! ECMWF model has another large dome of arctic high pressure (1050mb) building into the Northern Plains. This ain't over yet!
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278. GBlet
Someone needs to go gather the frozen beach bunnies! Poor things...
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good morning all, 23 this morning. quick question is flurries are rumored and also forecasted by local mets. what are your thoughts?
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34 here in Savannah this morning. We are going to FREEZE tomorrow racing the boat. Ugh...I guess that is why they call it "the frigid digit" series...was kind of hoping for 75 and sunny.
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Quoting IKE:
28.4 was my low....it's cold outside....temp is heading up now.


BRRRRR Ike! I recorded 32.1 here in Panama City Beach.
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274. IKE
Quoting sporteguy03:
I am up in Lake City today Ike, no snow, just a freeze, and no tropical weather in sight! Good Morning Stormw, JP and others!


StormW...lol.....you keep hoping he'll be back in time for the 2009 season.....
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was -10 this morning for me,just outside Boston.Guess I won't work on my tan today.
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How can you comment on the state of sea ice with only a microspopic sample of data. How can you attribute fire soot as a possible cause. I woulds bet most Americans don't realize we have more trees in the US today than we did over the last thousand years. Yep, we put the fires out now and they dont burn millions of acres. So, what exactly is the temp of the earth suppose to be? What was the temp suppose to be in the last ice age? Why have we experienced a cooling trend over the last 10 years? Yes humans affect things , but much less than touted by the Al Gore folks who have made billions misleading the unknowing with opinion and no real relevent data. You cannot take a few years of data from a dynamic planet that is billions of years old and conclude anything. Fotrunately, not everyone is fooled.
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I am up in Lake City today Ike, no snow, just a freeze, and no tropical weather in sight! Good Morning Stormw, JP and others!
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tart, noun, 1. small pastry shell filled with cooked fruit. HMMMM
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This cold weather is cramping my sense of fashion....hard to dress like a pirate with layers of thermal insulated clothes...hard to dance and swagger the deck as well with frosty toes.... ahhh well this to shall pass

although I don't like looking like a Pasty....(people from the north)

much prefer looking like a tart!
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