Fierce Santa Ana winds continue to fan Southern California fires

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 4:25 PM GMT on November 15, 2008

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A strong Santa Ana wind event continues over Southern California, fanning two major fires that have caused over $100 million in damage near Los Angeles. Wind gusts up to 76 mph were clocked early this morning at Camp Nine near the Sylmar fire, which is burning in the mountains about twenty miles north of downtown Los Angeles. Yesterday, winds gusted to 72 mph near the Montecito Hills fire in Santa Barbara County. A Fire Weather Warning continues for the Los Angeles area, and high wind warning for winds of 25 to 45 mph with gusts to 60 mph have been posted for surrounding mountain areas. A strong high pressure system has built in to the north and east, and the clockwise flow of air around this high pressure system will drive strong east-to-west offshore winds from the mountains to the ocean over the Los Angeles metropolitan area through Sunday morning. As air drops out of the mountains, it will warm due to compression as its pressure increases. The warm winds have caused several record highs to be set, including 91° in Burbank yesterday. Very low humidities in the 5-10% range have contributed to the dangerous fire conditions. Fire conditions will ease on Sunday as high pressure weakens, allowing winds to slow down. However, winds are not forecast to reverse direction and blow moist air inland from the ocean until Tuesday.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image from NASA's Terra satellite taken on Saturday, November 15, 2008 at 10:45 am PST. Smoke from the Sylmar fire 20 miles north of Los Angeles has drifted out over the Catalina Islands. A smaller plume of smoke from the "Freeway Fire" in Orange County is also visible.

Tropical update
In the tropics, there are no threat areas to discuss, and none of the reliable models are calling for tropical storm formation over the next seven days. However, it is possible that an extratropical low expected to form south of the Azores Islands on Monday will be able to gradually acquire tropical characteristics during the week, and could become a subtropical storm late next week. Such a storm is not likely to threaten any land areas.

Jeff Masters

Sayre Fire (Energis)
This is a view of the Sayre Fire from a distance.
Sayre Fire
Southern California Fires (SBKaren)
Traveling north on Pacific Coast Highway and looking east once again. Seal Beach National Wildlife Refuge in the background. Closer to home when this picture was taken. But it's a clear view of how smokey the air can be in one area, and just a couple of miles over - it's clear blue skies. Just awful.
Southern California Fires

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331. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)


need a new layout file..?
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Here's the conditions at my neck of the woods...

Steeplechase Orlando, Clarcona, Florida (PWS)
50.2 F / 10.1 C
Clear
Humidity: 50%
Dew Point: 32 F / -0 C
Wind: 0.0 mph / 0 km/h
Wind Gust: 4.6 mph / 7 km/h from the NNW
Pressure: 30.33 in / 1027.0 hPa (Rising)
Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers
UV: 0 out of 16
Clouds:
Clear -
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 89 ft / 27 m
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Cold night
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According to the best track for Gustav it was a 155 MPH Category 4 I just checked, Ike was a 155 MPH category 4, made landfall as a 115 MPH category 3 apparently first major hurricane to hit the USA this year since Hurricane Wilma. This will be in the PSA I bet.

Gustav best track link; Link

Ike best track link; Link
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
it is a shame that U.S. citizens do not get a world view of the news. If Britney Spears farts, it's the top story. I like watching the BBC...it tells more of what is happening in the world.


ROFLMAO... I agree :)
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I see they upgraded Omar to Category 4 status too, confirmed by the 'best track'. 4 Category 4 storms one of them a Possible Category 5 hurricane.
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speaking of Ignore, During 2007 I placed Stormchaser2007 on my ignore list, and for over a year I forgot to take him off in till Hurricane Ike.
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Quoting pottery:
Post 315. Very true.
I'm out.


Me too, work calls am, plus probably have to slug through the open campus in the rain in a powerchair- not much to look forward to- EXCEPT Dry SeASON and christmas. Good night.
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Speaking of needy dogs....I've got a wet nose looking for a walk & a spouse looking at me .....LOL see you all tomorrow!!!

Really enjoyed tonight's thinktanktalk
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Surfmom...10-4 on the cotton in the south.
Cotton kills in subzero, though.
I'm out for the night...late for the seal hunt
lol
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Nite all! Work calls early in the am! Have a great evening~ and enjoy the great weather....
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Post 315. Very true.
I'm out.
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Quoting theshepherd:
306 conchy
I must be thinker than I drunk I am, cause' I didn't see my name.
maybe I'm #46....
no you weren't on the list but yes you might be 46! LOL
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and the Godfather...didn't realize so many good shows on tonight!
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The Omen is on too..great horror flick.
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LOL Mom.
Anyway, I am out. Have a safe one, all.
It will be Monday in 45 mins.
Bummer !!
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Quoting pottery:
Re Bjanmama.
Some good points there, sumarising the general feelings outside of the US. Based, to a large degree, upon Media from all over the world.
In these Islands, and in many other places, we do not censor the media, especially foreign media. So we tend to get ALL the sides of every story.
This tends to do 2 things. It educates the population in a real sense. And it encourages debate locally, based on diverse points of view, of international situations.
In multi racial, multi religious communities, this is a very healthy situation.


How right you are Pottery- we even broadcast fox TV! (hehhehheh!) Plus Abc, Cnn, CBS, NBC, and Oh my god- Cuba Tv and further stroke- china Tv!- Now I know in the US all these stations are available- plus- practically every other nation in the world- couldn't believe it in silicon valley- russian, chinese, Filipino, Japanese, tibetan amazing!!( But does anyone besides those ethnic groups watch them- well stupid me of course not! because they are in their native language) But altho in the Caribbean we are overwhelmed by Sspanish ( with no subtitles) because our cable networks are hooked up to South america- the TNC's either don't know we speak English or don't care (probably the latter), we still do get all the US networks plus the BBC and people do watch them and I believe have a much better understanding of how the world thinks than most americans- not their fault mind you- but it is much better to understand the world around you than to only listen to what your mother is telling you- hopefully the airwaves will open more for everyone.
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Shep - you're right on the fabric...... the south just turned me into a cotton loving girl
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speaking of old flicks..wizard of oz is on tbs
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Good point Pottery, my mother was horrified that I preferred and watch BBC news -- Frankly, I was horrified that she was horrified
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306 conchy
I must be thinker than I drunk I am, cause' I didn't see my name.
maybe I'm #46....
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Yes the BBC is very good too. And BBC radio, if you can get it, is simply the very best commentary going. Bar none. Truly, Radio at it's very best.
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Quoting sugarsand:
Time to fly...dogs are both staring at me...Have a nice warm evening.
nite SS
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Time to fly...dogs are both staring at me...Have a nice warm evening.
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it is a shame that U.S. citizens do not get a world view of the news. If Britney Spears farts, it's the top story. I like watching the BBC...it tells more of what is happening in the world.
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Quoting theshepherd:
Buy worsted, not sheared wool.
No scratchy....
Hey Shep - good suggestion. Bet you are on Michael STL's ignore list! LOL
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Quoting theshepherd:
Buy worsted, not sheared wool.
No scratchy....

Cashmere
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Quoting conchygirl:
touche' surfmom....I grew up hearing that we couldn't afford it and that was fine - you learn to appreciate thinks a lot more.
Quoting surfmom:
Interesting project laying the pipeline through the gulf.

Post 264 - Perhaps we are awakening from our sheeple slumber. When the animals are too well fed they get very lazy and complacent. Now we are faced with realities we were able to avoid acknowledge by shopping. American children are hearing "NO, we can't afford that now" for the first time in many years..... this will be for our better good. The world will not end in 2012 -- it will shift to a better consciousness... I hope, But one should also look and study some of the ancient Hopi prophecies -- which look to the weather as a signal of what is ahead


re #278- could'nt agree with you more Surfmom, was what I was trying to say- don't believe 2012 either and the native americans and many other civilisations before the european Industrial Revolution dominated ( and even after too until conquered)looked to nature and the weather- trouble is we have so mucked it all up, that what they saw, isn't what we see- so it's a lot harder- just know the signs are there- but I agree a lot of hope too- and thank god if moms allover america and Euroope are giving their children the same talk- of course a lot of children are far more environmentaly if not economically conscious than their parents!
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Buy worsted, not sheared wool.
No scratchy....
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Re Bjanmama.
Some good points there, sumarising the general feelings outside of the US. Based, to a large degree, upon Media from all over the world.
In these Islands, and in many other places, we do not censor the media, especially foreign media. So we tend to get ALL the sides of every story.
This tends to do 2 things. It educates the population in a real sense. And it encourages debate locally, based on diverse points of view, of international situations.
In multi racial, multi religious communities, this is a very healthy situation.
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not that old surfmom..just love old movies and music..(my parents stuff)...one of my favorite flicks (since it is that time of year) is Miracle on 34th Street. Also, the original 60's Rudolph.
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That's true Zoo, but don't those clothes feel heavy? and wool urghhhhhh it's sooo Itchy.
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Quoting zoomiami:
Evening all - definitely the best weather of the year - can actually get out of some of the cold weather clothes.

Down here these clothes could last you a lifetime, only get used a few days each year normally.

Conchy - how far north of me are you? 47 is a bunch cooler than we are.
Hi Zoo - long time no talk to! We are about 180 miles North of you (Melbourne)
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Yes, wet suits will be in order. Too bad about Costa Maya; that's the only negative with cruises, you have a one shot deal being in port one day. That's why we decided to do the Keys thing for a full week. We got canceled out of 2 dives last Christmas on a cruise. Sad faces on the rest of the cruise from the teens.
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Conchy LOL -- I have flipflop socks, warm & cozy -- but they're made to slip the flips on.... only wear them around the house -- my boys won't be seen near me with them on
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Evening all - definitely the best weather of the year - can actually get out of some of the cold weather clothes.

Down here these clothes could last you a lifetime, only get used a few days each year normally.

Conchy - how far north of me are you? 47 is a bunch cooler than we are.
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Quoting pottery:
Bjanmama. A drink to Good Sense is a Grand Idea. Cheers. May it make a difference.
As to the rest of your post, good one.
I will wait in anticipation, to see the responses to that.
Hope there are several, as they will be interesting.....


Well, this is a weather blog- and altho- i.e. witness the great cartoons- we do get sorta, maybe political, just a teeny tiny bit- but right now, I'm more concerned if you can use your Zen teaching to blow all the convection from here to Africa up to the North East Atlantic and AWAY! Re my post- anyone listening to the international news and on the internet- about a billion some people- notices the desire for change and the hope ( whether people (some) think its misguided or not-) that the economic, fiscal and political changes in america coupled with what has happened in the world- mean there is more good will ( some chortling, of course, over America's brought-on-itself-misfortune, but that's always natural jealousy and dislike of bullying tactics) since this election,even more than at the beginning of the Clinton years- don't know why Americans won't listen to what other people are saying about them, especially when they think good things are happening ( in this case in the middle of some pretty g.awful ones)and my heart goes out to So. Cal. I was in Stanford for surgery and recoverey for 6 months this year- and my mother and sisters were cut off from seeing me for a long time because of the fires in the Northern mountains. the drought there is unbelievable. California is burning up- some of the most gorgeous scenery in the world. Well no TV, will look for an old video- can't take marking student esssays this time of night. Good Night all- and POttery- please keep blessing the rain while visualising it going away! Merci
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Quoting sugarsand:
So..Conchygirl, you had a nice cruise? Looking forward to a week in Duck Key soon!
Hi Sugarandsand - we had a WONDERFUL cruise - husbands first one and he had a blast. Diving in Costa Maya was rescheduled and too late for us so we went bike riding and kayaking. You'll have such a great time in Duck Key! Sure miss the Keys! Wet suits will be in order.
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286Geoffrey - giving your age away LOL -- I'm thinking that some young bright mind out there is going to come up with a way to provide clean free energy, this is what will uncouple the "hands that control and pull all the strings"
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So..Conchygirl, you had a nice cruise? Looking forward to a week in Duck Key soon!
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WPB. Thanks for that. Still pull that one out of the hat, from time to time.
Music to think about..........
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Always found this such an eerie song and more so now!
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286 Geoffrey
I was having a pretty good time tonight then you posted that!
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Propane is LPG. If you shake the tank, you will feel the surge inside.
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Quoting sugarsand:
Surfmom Had that talk about "economics" with the 16 yr. old just tonight.
They are all getting that talk and they're in a bit in shock... don't blame them, they've never known this situation...come to think of it not many adults either.
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slow night...

Zager Evans In the Year 2525 Lyrics:
In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find

In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the
truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, and say
Is in the pill you took today

In the year 4545
Ain't gonna need your teeth,
won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing chew
Nobody's gonna look at you

In the year 5555
Your arms hang limp at your sides
Your legs got not nothing to do
Some machine is doing that for you

In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband,
won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick
your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube

In the year 7510
[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/bXq ]
If God's a-comin' he ought
to make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased
where man has been
Or tear it down and start again

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man
is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this
old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing

Now it's been 10,000 years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what he never knew
Now man's reign is through
But through the eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it's only yesterday

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find

In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the
truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do or say
Is in the pill you took
today ....(fading...)
Lyrics: In the Year 2525, Zager Evans [end]
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Quoting pottery:
I should explain. Trinidad supplies LPG to the US. That is Liquified Petroleum Gas.
It is liquified by compressing it to liquid state. Loaded on ships that look like tankers with enormous rounded tanks topsides. The ship is a compression chamber. One cubic yard of the compressed gas, at atmospheric press., would fill a very large aircraft hanger with Gas.
Pottery We use LPG in many things around here. Thanks!!!
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Quoting surfmom:
Conchy - yes it's true the running feet do go faster... perhaps to get back to the cozy slippers
naw, flipflops are what I have on now! (remember, I like the naked toes) LOL
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bit confused - so what is propane? Cause that's what i use to cook -- could never get use to electric.
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Surfmom Had that talk about "economics" with the 16 yr. old just tonight.
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Conchy - yes it's true the running feet do go faster... perhaps to get back to the cozy slippers
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.