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Midget Marco makes landfall
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:36 PM GMT on October 07, 2008 +1
Tropical Storm Marco is making landfall along the Mexican Gulf of Mexico coast northwest of Veracruz. We really don't know how strong this storm is, because these so-called "midget" tropical cyclones are very difficult to classify correctly via satellite estimates. The only way to get an accurate idea of the strength of Marco is to fly a Hurricane Hunter airplane into the storm, and there has been only one flight into Marco (yesterday afternoon's flight). No further missions are planned.


Figure 1. Comparison of the sizes of Hurricane Ike and Tropical Storm Marco. Ike image was taken on September 11, 2008 (image credit: NASA. The Marco image was taken at 5 pm EDT October 6.

Midget tropical cyclones are rare in the Atlantic, but are fairly common the Western Pacific, where the presence of the monsoon trough often acts to spin up tiny tropical cyclones. Although small in stature, midget tropical cyclones are capable of intensifying into powerful hurricanes capable of causing severe damage. Tropical Cyclone Tracy, which hit Darwin, Australia on Christmas Day in 1974, was a midget tropical cyclone as small as Marco, but packed Category 4 winds. The storm killed 71 people and caused over $5 billion in damage.

Data yesterday afternoon from the Hurricane Hunters suggested that Marco's eye was just 3 miles across. Tropical storm force winds extended outward only ten miles from the center. Tropical storms this small are subject to sudden and unpredictable changes in intensity, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Marco with winds anywhere between 40 mph and 80 mph at landfall. The region affected will be just 10-20 miles across, and we don't need to worry about any significant storm surge with this storm! According to the latest analysis by NOAA's Hurricane Research Division, the Integrated Kinetic Energy (IKE) for Marco is as low as you'll see for a tropical storm: zero. They rate Marco's potential surge damage as a 0.3 on a scale of 1 to 6. For comparison, Ike and Katrina rated a 5.1 shortly before they made landfall. Comparing Marco to Ike (Figure 1), we can see that Ike was a Texas-sized storm that filled the entire Gulf of Mexico. Ike's tropical storm-force winds extended out up to 275 miles from the center at landfall. Marco is a Rhode Island-sized storm. At Marco's peak size, tropical storm-force winds covered an area of about 1,158 nm, which is 1/75 as big as Ike's.


Figure 2. Current satellite image Marco.

Elsewhere in the tropics
A small circulation near 11N, 37W, midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands, is kicking up some isolated heavy thunderstorms. The region is under about 20-30 knots of wind shear. The GFS and UKMET models continue to predict that a tropical depression could spin up in this region by Friday, and wind shear is predicted to drop to a level that might allow that to happen.

We will also need to watch the Western Caribbean for possible development late this week.

Hurricane Ike relief efforts
Here's today's update on the Hurricane Ike relief effort started by wunderground members Patrap, Presslord, and Stormjunkie:

The push to continue to keep supplies rolling to the Gulf Coast continues. This morning we shipped out three sets of packages with medical supplies and some cleaning supplies. The first set of two boxes went to the Bridge City Fire Department. It contained burn kits, bandages, first aid kits, Neosoprin, an air splint and more. The second set of boxes went to Eagle Heights Fellowship in Baytown. This is a shelter being run by a local pastor and seems to be one of the few shelters in this area that will remain open for the next four to six weeks. The supplies in these three boxes included CPR kits, first aid kits, disinfectant wipes, gloves, and more. The third set of three boxes were shipped to EmmyRose which she will personally deliver to the San Leon/Baycliff area. They included many of the same items listed above. We have estimated the value of these seven boxes to be between $4000 and $5000 which we shipped for just under $350.


Figure 3. More relief supplies on the way!

Contributions to this highly worthy portlight.org charity fund are fully tax-deductible, and will go to provide relief supplies for those smaller communities typically bypassed by the traditional relief efforts. More details can be found at StormJunkie's blog.

Jeff Masters

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351. Orcasystems 1:41 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Complete Refresh Blog
Mirror Site
TD ... MARCO
Present Satellite picture ... BOC
Area of Interest ... Eastern Caribbean
Present Satellite picture Caribbean Sea
Present Satellite picture GOM
Present Satellite picture Atlantic Train
Present Satellite picture Cape Verde
Present Satellite picture Large overall Coverage
CMC ... Western Caribbean & BOC flaring up(Hour 30)
CMC ... Southern PR, Atlantic (Hour 114)
CMC ... Caribbean (Hour 180)
CMC 00Z..
*********Special Additions*********
Hurricane Norbert ... Tracks & Cones
Hurricane Norbert ... Satellite picture
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352. Greyelf 1:45 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Thundercloud01221991:
The European Markets recovered over 200 points from 170 down to just up within about 15 minutes because of the feds reducing interest rates but the market is falling faster then it went up

I've got to believe there are other blogs here discussing the current financial state of affairs. If I want to read about them, I'll find them. And..before you say, "the blog is slow, so what?", I really don't care if the blog is slow. Dr. Masters isn't talking about it in his summary, so it's not topical, either. I don't come here to read about finance.
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353. TheMom 1:46 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Cotillion:


Jethro and Dobbie. I imagine Dobbie (Being the House Elf and all) won't come up, but perhaps a Jeffrey/Geoffrey in future?

If we do... run for your lives! Lol!
I'm scared! Hope Norbet doesn't continue his growth he is not looking good for Baja. Do we have any updates on the monster head that was about to munch on PR?
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354. melwerle 1:49 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting surfmom:
I just made the second pot of coffee -- wish I could mainline it this morning.

Good Morning The Mom! Yeaa - wouldn't I love to have "the company" give me a Spa Week.....I am working harder then I have ever worked in my life--just thinking of some BarbieDoll w/Nanny & Maid, etc getting her tootsies painted & body salt scrubbed because of her "high stress" job -- really puts me off.... although it seems a reality check is in the future hee, hee hee - sinister laugh


I was the one with the nanny and maid and high stress job having the salt scrub at the spa...now I have chosen the other career...staying home with the kids (kids started calling me by the nanny's name...that was enough for me). Hardest job I ever had...I could use a salt scrub more than ever! I would sell the stocks in order to get one but the stocks aren't worth the paper they're written on right now. Oh well.

Anywho...someone pass me another cup of coffee...
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355. TheMom 1:53 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Greyelf:

You do know that the tropical forces do effect financial markets and the economy of areas hit by the storms right? And that things like 85 billion to AIG and wall street but the "take care of yourself" to storm victims is a bit of a financial and tropical connection. We are not able to help those hardest hit by the crazy storms but can bail out fat cats in suits? There is a connection.
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356. Greyelf 1:58 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting TheMom:
You do know that the tropical forces do effect financial markets and teh economy of areas hit by the storms right? And that things like 85 billion to AIG and wall street but the "take care of yourself" to storm victims is a bit of a financial and tropical connection. We are not able to help those hardest hit by the crazy storms but can bail out fat cats in suits? There is a connection.

Yeah, and a butterfly just flew over in Japan. Eventually that'll turn into a hurricane here. That's topical too, eh?

The point I'm making is that if you want to talk the financial slant of all of this, please go to a financial blog on this weather site. You can talk it until you're blue in the face there. It ain't gonna change what's gonna happen in Washington.
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357. Orcasystems 2:01 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
My money is on Mom taking him out in the third round.
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358. ncleclerc 2:03 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Orcasystems:
My money is on Mom taking him out in the third round.


I'll put some money on her also! You go TheMom!
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359. TheMom 2:03 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Greyelf:

Yeah, and a butterfly just flew over in Japan. Eventually that'll turn into a hurricane here.
I'm pretty sure that is Chaos Theory whereas Gulf storm hits from Katrina to now have in fact allowed a profit esculation (legalized price gouging) in oil processing which has lead to higher costs for economic nessesities causeing companies to fold or downsize thus reducing the revenue being put back into the market place. Direct linage rather than Chaos Theroy... diffrence.
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360. Greyelf 2:05 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Orcasystems:
My money is on Mom taking him out in the third round.


Why would you say that? Is it so wrong of me to want to read weather related items versus financial items in a weather blog?
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362. stormmaven 2:08 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Orcasystems:
My money is on Mom taking him out in the third round.
Quoting Orcasystems:
My money is on Mom taking him out in the third round.


Quoting Orcasystems:
My money is on Mom taking him out in the third round.

It is a battle of insight and intellegence, and both are unarmed.
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363. TheTracker08 2:09 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
What is that?!?!? guys, look at the Eastern Caribbean!!
364. Orcasystems 2:09 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
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365. TheMom 2:09 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting stormmaven:



It is a battle of insight and intellegence, and both are unarmed.
MBA with concentration in International Economics... What you got?
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366. Orcasystems 2:10 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting TheTracker08:
What is that?!?!? guys, look at the Eastern Caribbean!!

You mean this one?


Click to enlarge
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367. TheMom 2:11 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Orcasystems:

You mean this one?


Click to enlarge
Is that the "monsterhead" cloud of yesterday?
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368. Vero1 2:12 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Another Tropical Wave "Bites" the Dust.

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT WED OCT 08 2008


TROPICAL WAVES...
TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 24W/25W S OF 13N MOVING W 5-10 KT. WAVE
IS BEGINNING TO LOSE ITS IDENTITY DUE TO THE AFRICAN DUST THAT
HAS COME OFF COAST COVERING THE AREA FROM 10N-23N E OF 30W. NO
ASSOCIATED DEEP CONVECTION.
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369. Orcasystems 2:13 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting TheMom:
Is that the "monsterhead" cloud of yesterday?


Nope..its still out there also. NE of PR



Click to enlarge
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370. TheMom 2:13 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting Vero1:
Another Tropical Wave "Bites" the Dust.

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT WED OCT 08 2008


TROPICAL WAVES...
TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 24W/25W S OF 13N MOVING W 5-10 KT. WAVE
IS BEGINNING TO LOSE ITS IDENTITY DUE TO THE AFRICAN DUST THAT
HAS COME OFF COAST COVERING THE AREA FROM 10N-23N E OF 30W. NO
ASSOCIATED DEEP CONVECTION.
Good news.
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371. TheTracker08 2:14 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
yes, but look at the rainbow satellite!! linkhttp://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/carb/rb-l.jpg :
372. TheMom 2:14 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Looks loose but with some fold over on the north side is that circulation trying to form?
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373. TheTracker08 2:16 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
HMMMM... watch and see!
374. Orcasystems 2:17 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting TheMom:
Looks loose but with some fold over on the north side is that circulation trying to form?


Out that way, I would still be more worried by these ones

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375. Vero1 2:19 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
Quoting TheTracker08:
yes, but look at the rainbow satellite!! linkhttp://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/carb/rb-l.jpg :


CARIBBEAN SEA...
AN UPPER LOW COVERS THE W CARIBBEAN CENTERED ALONG THE COAST OF
HONDURAS NEAR 16N86W. AN UPPER TROUGH COVERING THE W ATLC DIPS S
JUST OVER THE N CARIBBEAN ISLANDS FROM THE PUERTO RICO TO
HISPANIOLA WHILE THE REMAINDER OF THE CARIBBEAN IS DOMINATED BY
A BROAD UPPER RIDGE ANCHORED OVER VENEZUELA E OF 81W TO ACROSS
THE LESSER ANTILLES. DIFFLUENCE ALOFT COUPLED WITH AN ABUNDANCE
OF TROPICAL MOIST AIR ARE GENERATING SCATTERED SHOWERS/ISOLATED
THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE AREA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE YUCATAN
CHANNEL WHERE CLEAR SKIES PREVAIL. THE STRONGEST ACTIVITY IS IN
THE GULF OF HONDURAS AND OVER THE ABC ISLANDS.
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376. Orcasystems 2:19 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
new blog
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377. sporteguy03 2:41 PM GMT on October 08, 2008    
old blog retired back to lurking Ike
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