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Western Caribbean disturbance flares up
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:37 PM GMT on October 03, 2008 +2
Heavy thunderstorm activity has increased substantially this morning in association with a broad area of low pressure over the Western Caribbean. Visible satellite loops show a modest but expanding area of heavy thunderstorms, with no sign of organization or a surface circulation. Wind shear is moderate, in the 10-20 knot range. The disturbance is moving very little at present.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of the Western Caribbean. Image credit: NOAA.

Steering currents are weak in the Western Caribbean, and there should be little motion of the system over the next three days. Heavy rain from the disturbance has already moved into the Cayman Islands, and will begin to affect northern Honduras, western Cuba, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula over the next two days. None of the computer models develop this disturbance. However, with wind shear expected to stay in the moderate 10-15 knot range through Sunday, and the upper level winds expected to take on an anticyclonic flow, I give this disturbance a medium (20-50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday. NHC is currently giving it a low (<20% chance) of developing.

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1. seflagamma 3:41 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thank you Dr Master's for the new update.

Good morning everyone.. not around much this week but lurk when I can.

I sure hope this Caribbean blob doesn't do anything!

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2. Bonedog 3:42 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thanks Doc!
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4. Beachfoxx 3:43 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Oh fiddle lee dee!

I open up 'da blog to see a "disturbance" in W. Caribbean.

Just Say NO! I hope it stays disturbing and nothing more...

I'm going back to the beach! : )
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5. Beachfoxx 3:45 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thanks Dr. M....
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6. tkeith 3:45 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
short and sweet, the way I like em...thanks doc...
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8. Skyepony (Mod) 3:46 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thanks for the update!

I'm bring this over from the last blog..

MJO is lurking around. If we see it dive out of the circle deep into 8 or 1 we maybe in for something named..

Bahama blob is gone now. We may see 1 or more new navy invests today. Looking at the big pic, I don't see anything backing that front back over FL in the short term so Cuba/Bahamas are at biggest risk for NOAA declared invest at the moment but like Jeff mentions above weak steering currently, going no where fast. The blob approaching the east Caribbean is being harrassed pretty heavily by an Upper Level Low (naked swirl to the north). Should keep it in check.. Seastep~ I suspect the ULL is fanning the upper levels causing plenty of diffluence aloft, hence the convection.
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9. KendallHurricane 3:47 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
if this disturbance does develop would it effect Florida??????
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10. tkeith 3:48 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Bonedog, is the shear in the northern gulf forecast to relax any time soon? looks like another cool front coming south.
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11. TheCaneWhisperer 3:48 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting vortfix:
The Doctor seems a bit bullish on this one.

Thanks Dr. M!


And rightly so. This is one of the situations you look for when talking about October Cyclones. SST's are high, winds marginal to more favorable. Models are rather useless at this point.
13. TRT 3:52 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Repost from last night

Can anyone explain the procedure for the rain collector and snowfall? I understand it will measure the water content of the snowfall as it melts, but I am confused about the reporting of rainfall when it is actually snowfall. I just installed a heater in the collector for this winters freezing temps here. Gee, I hope I am phrasing this question right, it is ruff being a low-end novice!
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14. Bonedog 3:52 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    


shear is on a major increase!!


as for effecting florida. Too early to tell, Have to see the pattern in the coming days. Right now there is very little steering currents so the blob will just wander in place for the next few days
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16. Seastep 3:54 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Skyepony - Thanks.
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17. cchsweatherman 3:55 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thank you for the update Dr. Masters. Based upon my analysis, it seems like, as Dr. Masters stated, we could some organization with this disturbance over weekend. This disturbance is festering over an area where climatology heavily supports tropical development. Many may say that Dr. Master's forecast seems "bullish", but I agree with his forecast.
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18. tkeith 3:55 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
14. Bonedog ...thanks
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19. Bonedog 3:56 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
TRT Being a CoCoRaHS Observer myself and going through a winter already maybe I can lend a hand.


Basically what you want to do is have a flat board next to the rain collector. The hail pad works well. Measure the snowfall first to the nearest .10 inch. Then stick the round tube in to the snow on the board. Bring it inside and either wait till it melts or take a measuring cup and add hot water to it. Note the amount of water in the measuring cup, add it to the snow in the tube already. After it melts subtract the amount of water added from the measurement in the collector. There you have it, water content of the snowfall.

In reporting the snowfall, report the water content then in the notes report the snow depth.

After a while you get used to how snow behaves and can quickly estimate even before measurements are taken, that way you can see if you have an anomolous measurement.
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20. Seastep 3:56 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting TRT:
Repost from last night

Can anyone explain the procedure for the rain collector and snowfall? I understand it will measure the water content of the snowfall as it melts, but I am confused about the reporting of rainfall when it is actually snowfall. I just installed a heater in the collector for this winters freezing temps here. Gee, I hope I am phrasing this question right, it is ruff being a low-end novice!


This was answered on the last blog...
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21. KBH 3:56 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
I think the Dr. nailed this one on the head!
rains have started again and winds have picked up from the south with some stronger gust
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22. Bonedog 3:56 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
tkeith no problem
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23. bystander 3:57 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting KBH:
I think the Dr. nailed this one on the head!
rains have started again and winds have picked up from the south with some stronger gust


Hi KBH. Where are you?
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24. Seastep 3:57 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting Seastep:


This was answered on the last blog...


And bonedog was kind enough to post it again. ;)
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25. conchygirl 3:57 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
The disturbance is official. Thanks for the update Doc.
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26. Bonedog 3:57 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
I reposted my answer ;)
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27. lawntonlookers 3:59 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thanks for the update. The Caribbean looks better orginized than earlier this morning.
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28. Patrap 3:59 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
ESL GOM IR Loop Link
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29. cchsweatherman 4:01 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
On another note, Tropical Storm Marie nearing hurricane status as it got much stronger than forecast overnight and this morning. Very nice spiral banding with impressive outflow pattern well-established. Appears that an eye may appear sometime during the next 6 to 12 hours.

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30. poikoo 4:03 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
were did storm w"s blog go?
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31. cchsweatherman 4:03 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
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32. Seastep 4:05 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting poikoo:
were did storm w"s blog go?


Still there, just not featured. Go to main blog page.
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33. Seastep 4:06 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting conchygirl:
The disturbance is official. Thanks for the update Doc.


Where are you seeing that conchy? Can't find it on NHC or Navy. TIA.
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34. Bonedog 4:07 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Seastep they have it listed as INVEST over at SSD

Link
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35. Cotillion 4:07 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Hey everyone.

Might be an interesting weekend, see how this one plays out.

This is.. 96L by now? or 95L? Sort of lost track.

I just recall 'the' 96L of last year, that kept us guessing for about a week, haha.
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36. HIEXPRESS 4:08 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
0,8,11,12,15,21:
Agree
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37. Seastep 4:10 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Oh, I get it. The word official threw me. I guess it could be called and official disturbance, just not numbered invest.

Got it. ;)
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38. Bonedog 4:10 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
would be 97L

94L ran up the east coast

95L was Kyle

96L was Laura
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39. Cotillion 4:12 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    


Quoting Bonedog:
would be 97L

94L ran up the east coast

95L was Kyle

96L was Laura


Thanks for the clarification. As said, totally lost track.
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40. bwt1982 4:13 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
I don't think anything will come out of this "disturbance in the Carib. Another week goes by, and Florida is still in the clear!!!
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41. TRT 4:13 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting Bonedog:
TRT Being a CoCoRaHS Observer myself and going through a winter already maybe I can lend a hand.


Basically what you want to do is have a flat board next to the rain collector. The hail pad works well. Measure the snowfall first to the nearest .10 inch. Then stick the round tube in to the snow on the board. Bring it inside and either wait till it melts or take a measuring cup and add hot water to it. Note the amount of water in the measuring cup, add it to the snow in the tube already. After it melts subtract the amount of water added from the measurement in the collector. There you have it, water content of the snowfall.

In reporting the snowfall, report the water content then in the notes report the snow depth.

After a while you get used to how snow behaves and can quickly estimate even before measurements are taken, that way you can see if you have an anomolous measurement.


Thanks Bonedog for your input with this. I guess what I should have asked is… It doesn’t matter that the rain collector is reporting the (melted snowfall) as rain accumulation then? Since it is still precipitation.

Sorry for the repost, I didn’t see this response at first glance.

Have a good one...
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42. Cotillion 4:14 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
And CoCoRaHS stands for..?

(Sorry, not really kept up with the blog lately!)
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43. Bonedog 4:15 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
yes TRT report the melted snow as rainfall. Then report snow depth under new snow.

Dont forget report the snow on ground everyday even without snowfall. If its spotty (ie just in the shade or a patch here and there) report Trace
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44. KBH 4:15 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting bystander:


Hi KBH. Where are you?

Barbados
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45. bystander 4:17 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting KBH:

Barbados


Thanks. Was just there on a cruise. Nice place!
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46. surfmom 4:17 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
in for a peek - looks like the little seed by the Yuc channel is still with us --getting named 97L--
Fine by me if it stays a depression - give the buoys a push and then go poof

I'm w/Beachfox -- got the officework done, NO barnwork today --The sky is heavenly blue, sun is shining --I'm off to the Lake of Mexico, board in hand for a quick paddle and sun
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47. Bonedog 4:18 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
cotillion CoCoRaHS stands for

Community Collaborative Rain, Hail & Snow Network

we are a bunch of laypersons that collect rain, hail, snow data and report it to our chapters website which inturn reports to the NWS office. During severe weather the reports are flagged and directly reported to the NWS to help with watchs and warnings issuances.

Link
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48. TRT 4:18 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Thanks Much for this information. I appreciate it
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49. Cotillion 4:18 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Quoting Bonedog:
cotillion CoCoRaHS stands for

Community Collaborative Rain, Hail & Snow Network

we are a bunch of laypersons that collect rain, hail, snow data and report it to our chapters website which inturn reports to the NWS office. During severe weather the reports are flagged and directly reported to the NWS to help with watchs and warnings issuances.


Right, a worthy cause.

Thanks very much. :)
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50. sporteguy03 4:19 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
Dr.Masters,
Thank you for the promising update.
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51. Bonedog 4:19 PM GMT on October 03, 2008    
No problem TRT glad to help. Feel free to ask questions.
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