Why did Hurricane Ike get so large?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:40 PM GMT on September 18, 2008

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Well, it's now day four of my promised 7-10 day lull in Atlantic hurricane activity. That prediction still looks reasonable. Heavy thunderstorm activity has begun to increase over the Lesser Antilles Islands, where a tropical wave is interacting with an upper-level low pressure system. This tropical wave is moving westwards at about 15 mph, and has an impressive surge of moisture with it, as seen on animations of total precipitable water from the University of Wisconsin CIMSS group. The region is under about 10-20 knots of wind shear, and probably won't be able to organize much today or Friday due to the shear and presence of the upper-level low pressure system. By Saturday, wind shear is expected to drop over the entire Caribbean, and the upper level wind flow becomes more anticyclonic. These are favorable conditions for tropical cyclone development, and we may have something develop by Sunday in the central or western Caribbean. The NOGAPS is the only major model predicting something will develop. However, most of the models are forecasting the development of a tropical depression off the coast of Africa early next week. I expect we will have Tropical Storm Kyle, either in the Caribbean or off the coast of Africa, by the middle of next week.


Figure 1. Hurricane Ike at 12:05 pm CDT September 12, 2008, as seen by NASA's Terra satellite. Image creidt: NASA Earth Observatory.

Why did Ike get so large?
Hurricane Ike grew unusually large, eventually filling up the entire Gulf of Mexico and becoming larger than Katrina. How did it get so big? Well, one theory is that the storm's passage over Cuba helped it to grow in size. During the day and half the eye of Ike traversed Cuba, the thunderstorm activity near the center was suppressed by land. However, a large portion of the storm was over the exceptionally warm waters of the Loop Current on either side of Cuba. Since the storm couldn't put any energy into intensifying and maintaining its core, the energy pulled out of the Loop Current went into expanding and intensifying the outer portions of the storm that were over water. When Ike finally emerged into the Gulf of Mexico, its scale had been reset to this new larger size, and the storm was able to maintain the new scale. A similar transition to a new larger scale also occurred to Hurricanes Katrina and Andrew after they passed over South Florida.

How you can help
The group of wunderground members that are spearheading their own Hurricane Ike relief effort, aimed at providing assistance and supplies to people that are not in the mainstream relief areas, have now raised $7700. The first relief truck with supplies is on the way to Texas. Deductions are tax-deductible, and can be made in several ways:

Patrap's wunderblog
www.stormjunkie.com
www.portlight.org

Of course, contributing to the Red Cross or your local church is another great way to help out. Thanks!

Jeff Masters

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933. AEAWx
7:47 PM GMT on August 19, 2009
Dear Shepherd: this site is for the discussion of weather. Please show some respect for the rules of Dr. Jeff Master Baiting other users is not allowed. Thanks
932. mrkirkus
6:30 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Please be informed that every VOAD group gets supplies from the state warehouse set up for their state. The VOAD state warehouse gets more and more of their supplies through the AIDMATRIX network which is a way to computerize the whole giving and receiving of donated goods and money.

Also be advised that spontaneous volunteers in most states must first be screened, including a background check. The days of a group just calling to say they are coming have ended.

In most disasters, a VOAD group is assigned to be "lead" group and they are entrusted with screening all spontaneous volunteers and unsolicited donations.

All aspects of sending needed supplies to devastated areas come AFTER the first responders have secured the area. No volunteers can be allowed into a disaster area until Search and Rescue crews do their jobs along with the National Guard and various agencies assigned to secure the area.
Volunteer groups and charities fill the void after the initial time frame.

The Red Cross is strapped for funds, the Salvation Army is strapped for funds. Most smaller charities are strapped for funds. Regardless of who your favorite disaster relief/recover charity is, they are in desperate need of monetary donations. Thank you.
931. theshepherd
2:59 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
****Rumble in the ACLU jungle.****
No, they won't be looking at the plywood or gas price gougers or executives responsible for the finacial collapse of hardworking people's retirement plans, or running disreputable contractors out of town.

They'll be looking for these concentration camps, body count cover ups, unconstitutional evictions, and local official incompetance,that have been posted here and elsewhere.
Correct me if I'm wrong,don't the locals elect their officials? The ballot box decides competence.

Why on God's green earth would you hide a body count that would vindicate a mandatory evacuation order and place more weight on the warnings on forecasters?

Why would you endanger public safety with no reguard to electrocution, desease, injury, crime and such? Emergency response crews and releif efforts have their hands full.

If an abandoned Army barracks is all you have, then it is what it is.

And if you're planning a memorial, make sure it doesn't reference your God. That's one of their favorites.

I visit this blog as and interdisiplinary study in forecasting, emergency response, eco system damage and the many disiplines that affect recovery and rebuilding.

The sky is not falling. A lot of people are in pain and there are more witches swimming in the water.

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930. goldmoon
2:18 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting CaptnDan142:


I just kept asking myself... If this is a "Top Secret" facility/project how is it that these jokers are standing in the middle of it and filming it? And posting it publicly?

I was looking for some info on the Galveston situation and stumbled onto a website that had a few theories about the massive cover-up and secret ops going on there. Then I watched a press conference with one of the alleged participants - Mayor Thomas. Umm... ROTFLMAO.

On that note, since my searches are not going well (obviously) and the Houston TV stations aren't really carrying much any more - anybody got a one-stop-shop to get the latest on what's going on over there in Galveston? (Storm recovery stuff please - black helicopters optional) ;-)

LOL I have found that you get more information from the comments on the news stories than the news stories themselves. People in those areas that are getting access to computers are posting responses. Just do a search for Ike survivors or something to that nature.


929. goldmoon
2:12 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting CaptnDan142:
846

Rather irresponsible to post this without an appropriate hat warning, isn't it?

"Tinfoil hats required. Shiny side out of course."


LOL I'm ashamed to say I watched a couple of those videos and was stunned these people reporting on it were still alive. Maybe we'll see on the news that they commited suicide by shooting themselves in the head three times...


My first thought was that if all of us were detained, who would run the gaslines, electricity, furnaces and hand out ice!



I wonder why the gov doesn't use these places for something. Might be a good place to store supplies for disasters. I hate to see places like that go to wasted.


Can someone tell me what kind of system that is out there around 45-25? Could that make it to the US on its current path? Thanks
928. popartpete
2:05 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting system345:
RIP 93l and gustav wikll not be retired


I believe that Gustav caused such a lengthy swath of devastation, from the Caribbean, to Louisiana, all the way through the midwest U.S., and even into Canada, that there will be choice to retire it.
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927. goldmoon
2:02 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting Bones429:


I've been in Emergency Management for almost 20 years, both State and Private industry, I've never heard of the AID MATRIX thing and I've worked mostly in Logistics since 2000.

One of the main reasons that volunteers is now regulated and restricted is because of the spontanious volunteer who arrives with no training but thinks they can do anything and everything they and in the end get someone hurt or worse killed. This happen after Andrew and Camille. Following 9/11 so called volunteers showed up at the scene and wanted to help....they were untrained in SAR and caused more problems than help. Folowing Katrina, they showed up to help one group turned out to be ex-cons from WV who were there for nothing else but to cause trouble...

As for the good old boys getting a truck loaded up with supplies and just going down there and passing them out.....Following An drew there was a push for relief supplies in the New England areas, so the train companies donated two box cars to haul all these so-called supplies to Miami. When the train arrived in it was "full of supplies" ....fur coates, lawn mowers, cooked "spoiled" hams and other foods(the box cars were not refers), old baby clothes, basicly just about everything and anything that was totally useless to the disaster victims. Following 9/11 basicly the same thing happen in New York where two warehouses were filled with useless junk that preople "donated" to help the people of New York.

Today as in the past, the Red Cross is still the primary shelter providers for disaster operations, however there are Gov agencies that oversee the operations and provide assistance to ARC. Under the National Response Plan now the National Response framework that is called ESF-6(Mass Care). Other VOAD's also contribute to the emergency support function.

Now is it a perfect machine...H--l NO, it never will be, but does it work ..YES!.. can it be improved..Yes!!!, anything can be improved, and it has been. countries come to the US just to see how we do things here and take our idea back to there country and mimic it there.


Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. So basically anyone wishing to help needs to only call ahead and give credintials and get clearance. I can understand that.


When we went to help my parents recover what they could after Katrina it was really frustrating to try to navigate the site-seers with a 40 foot trailer hooked to a dually. (We brought a tractor to try to push some of the muck around to search it.) This was the day after the National Guard stopped checking proof of residence.


It seems like the more the gov tries to help the more trouble they are accused of. :)
926. JTWhite
1:55 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Isaac's Storm by Erik Larson is a great book about the hurricane of 1900 that destroyed Galveston. It is part: history of man's understanding of what we call weather, part biography of Isaac Monroe Cline, observer for the US Weather Bureau in Galveston, and part history of the people and development of the Houston/Galveston, Texas area. I received a copy of this book (paperback) as a gift [it may be out of print - copyright 1999] in late August & I have found it compelling reading in the wake of hurricane Ike.
925. txag91met
1:49 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Power still out on the NW side of Houston in many neighborhoods.
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924. Orcasystems
1:46 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
New Blog
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923. hurricanehanna
1:45 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting tkeith:
was wonderin where ya been Hanna... I've enjoyed the lull in the tropics but as (blogger) Ike reminds us season aint over til it's over...

Hey tkeith! Been so busy at work. The lull is nice - I think this is the first weekend we won't be cleaning up after a storm! I'm afraid it isn't over....but one can hope!
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922. Bones429
1:44 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
though this is not really weather related I think it sound kinda familar......

OBAMA SAYS WILL HOLD BACK FROM PRESENTING HIS DETAILED RECOVERY PLAN...

This sounds like Mayor Nagan's infamous 1st evacuation plan he kept talking about before he was re-elected. He had hired a company that brought in Canadians to write a Hurricane Evacuation Plan (now how many hurricane has Canada had????)....after reviewing this plan we called it the "Van-Nagan express" maining because these "So-called evacuation planners" wanted to use box cars to evacuate New Orleans in the event of another hurricane threat. Needless to say the plan was denied by FEMA.
921. tkeith
1:43 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
was wonderin where ya been Hanna... I've enjoyed the lull in the tropics but as (blogger) Ike reminds us season aint over til it's over...
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920. NEwxguy
1:43 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Gm,all,a little surprised to see 93L,really wasn't expecting anything for a few days,but that said,not very impressed with it,and the environment the next few days,doesn't look great.
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919. Orcasystems
1:41 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Among those accepting a hand was Cheryl Harwell, who holed up in an empty hotel as Ike devastated the Bolivar Peninsula community of Crystal Beach. She ignored a mandatory evacuation order six days ago, and suggested she wouldn't be leaving anytime soon.

"I got everything I need here," said Harwell, 50, as she sat on the hotel's second-floor balcony with her husband and a friend.

Destruction surrounded them, but their second-floor abode was dry and tidy, complete with clean linen, bottled water and beer.

"We're happy here," said Harwell's husband, Armando Briones. "We've got plenty of cigarettes and plenty of food."

If they need something, they simply flag down the National Guard, which has been making daily checks.
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918. hurricanehanna
1:37 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Good morning all! Been away for a couple of days. My prayers and thoughts are still with all of you who were so badly affected by Ike.
I've got our Youth Group at church holding a bake sale to help raise funds and I've been sharing Press & Pat's fund info with everyone. Godspeed to all of you helping people out. My brother (who lives in Pinehurst - north of Houston) is still w/o power and very little water, says people are pulling together to help each other out. It is so good to see.

Now, on a weather note....does 93L really have a chance to develop?
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917. Orcasystems
1:37 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
You have to love it when everyone is on the same page :)


"The city of Galveston is not in ruins," Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas said Thursday, striking a defiant tone.

Then she ceded the podium to city manager Steve LeBlanc, who said Galveston basically is on life support.

There's some power to the only hospital, but not enough. Cell phone service is improving, which helps repair crews coordinate, but coverage is still spotty. More water is flowing out of the city's pipes than is flowing in.
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916. RescueAFR
1:37 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Greetings Everyone..
First time post, live in South Fla..been watching this blog for sometime and find your thoughts and energy regarding this year's storm season interesting..I do alot of my monitoring on Google Earth and this blog.. I am a former flight engineer on a blackhawk helo, AF reserve, PAFB Fl..Our primary mission is Combat Rescue...today the unit is in Tex helping with the efforts there..as they did with Katrina in the past season and worked many other humanitarin missons too..Its amazing what mom nature can do and the destruction that comes about..its also great to see mankind come together (even with all the flaws we have) and help each other.. Stay well....
Steve
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915. surfmom
1:35 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
YIKES, hawk in the yard -- chickens are screaming bbl
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914. surfmom
1:34 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
gimme shear and shut-off the MJO --somebody needs to put a chain on that Monkey!!

Maybe if we ALL think death to 93L we make an "intention connection" and snuff the sucker out
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913. JRRP
1:33 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
i think that 93L will pass more south
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912. surfmom
1:31 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Thanks Kman -- nice review of 93L -- and no I'm am NOT looking at this seedling to grow -- after Ike -- as much as I love waves -- I just don't want them like this -- Ike was just nasty and ugly-- from the horrible damage he inflicted on the land, humanity and creatures -- to his waves which were so loaded w/stinging jellies and sea nettles - that any pleasure was quickly stung --
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911. IKE
1:30 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting JRRP:

Atlantic Tropical Weather Outlook

000
ABNT20 KNHC 191150
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT FRI SEP 19 2008

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

DISORGANIZED CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS OVER THE LESSER ANTILLES...THE
ADJACENT CARIBBEAN AND ATLANTIC WATERS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A
WESTWARD MOVING TROPICAL WAVE. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS HAVE BECOME LESS
FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.


Great news...die 93L.
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910. kmanislander
1:28 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Back later
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909. CaptnDan142
1:26 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Atlantic Basin SST's (Animation)

You can really see where Ike cooled things in the western GOM.
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908. kmanislander
1:26 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Shear has been falling over the Caribbean as a whole as forecasted. This will provide support for 93L while trekking through the Eastern Caribbean

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907. tkeith
1:20 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
Also, as to Ike survivors, continued prayers and financial support...However, I heard an interesting news clip yesterday on Public Radio where one of first responders, who did not go on record with his name, complained that those who stayed back in coastal areas/barrier islands, instead of evacuating, are causing a massive use of manpower/reasources, which could be used elesewhere, by having to have ongoing helicopter delivery of food and supplies...While he understood the issue of folks not wanting to leave their properties behind (fear of looting, etc,), he was pretty upset that he is putting his folks and helicopter crews at risk to continue to supply those who ignored evacuation requests.....
...A good reminder that most descisions people make in some way affects others. These particular descisions could have Life or Death impacts on others...
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906. kmanislander
1:15 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Good morning everyone

93L is slowly putting together some deep convection. Lower lever convergence is still missing though and IF this does develop into a tropical cyclone it would appear unlikely to do so before reaching near 70 to 75W.

It is now at 63W which means it is entering an area of the Caribbean that is typically hostile for early stage systems ( the so called " dead zone " ).

I expect that it will continue on a generally W track into the Central Caribbean and already the models have come far W with the recent set of runs. Last night I posted that we were probably looking at 24 to 48 hrs before it would indicate whether or not it was likely to become a real threat and I still believe that to be the case.

The danger with 93L is that the Caribbean is still hot enough to support a major hurricane and with a positive phase of the MJO only a couple of days around the corner 93L should not be taken lightly.

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905. weathermanwannabe
1:13 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Also, as to Ike survivors, continued prayers and financial support...However, I heard an interesting news clip yesterday on Public Radio where one of first responders, who did not go on record with his name, complained that those who stayed back in coastal areas/barrier islands, instead of evacuating, are causing a massive use of manpower/reasources, which could be used elesewhere, by having to have ongoing helicopter delivery of food and supplies...While he understood the issue of folks not wanting to leave their properties behind (fear of looting, etc,), he was pretty upset that he is putting his folks and helicopter crews at risk to continue to supply those who ignored evacuation requests.....
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904. flaboyinga
1:11 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting 69Viking:
897. flaboyinga

You are probably right! Has it been said yet or does anyone know the name of the builder?


There were several links with an interview of the owner's daughter. She stated that it took two contractors plus her parents to get it built. I think it's on youtube if you do a search.
903. Hurricajun
1:10 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Gumbo,
I just read about the planes spraying over us. Hope it comes soon!
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902. CaptnDan142
1:09 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Some great links - thanks to all who posted!

893... RE: Cover-up... Um, motivation?

(tinfoil hat alert)
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901. KBH
1:07 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting Gumbogator:
The track on a potential 93L looks all too familiar!! Africa development??

if my memory serves me correctly the most recent system to have that path was Gustav....
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900. Hurricajun
1:07 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Good morning everyone!
Just wanted to send out this link someone sent me. Amazing pictures. I am really in AWE! Link
Have a good day, I'll be lurking, we are really busy!!
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899. 69Viking
1:07 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
897. flaboyinga

You are probably right! Has it been said yet or does anyone know the name of the builder?
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898. surfmom
1:07 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
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897. flaboyinga
1:05 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
891. mattrix 1:01 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
"The last house standing"



That house is probably on of the most viewed houses in the USA by now.
896. Gumbogator
1:04 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
The track on a potential 93L looks all too familiar!! Africa development??
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895. weathermanwannabe
1:04 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Good Morning...Nice, cool, "crispy" weather this am in North Florida.....Let's hope it stays that way going into Fall on Monday...
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894. surfmom
1:04 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
I can't get to Texas physically to help IKE victims,.....but it's good to know - that donating to www.portlight.com "CHA-CHING" will direct deliver aid and supplies to those who are in need.

watching these guys come up with the idea, tap, tap, tap on the key board, brainstorm a solution and then create a working plan that expedites aid & supplies RAPIDO --with trucks already on the road -- an affirming example of how motivated people, Can Make A Difference!!!!
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893. Gumbogator
1:02 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
The mosquitoes are so bad that the military is supposed to be using 13 planes to spray from the air. The swamp/marshes are infested with those buggers. Everybody has a pile of rubble/"s" pile and debris removal can't come soon enough. The smell is terrible!! These planes are supposed to cover 80,000 acres and we haven't seen the 1st plane yet........promises, promises!! How many people were swept away by Ike's surge......we may never know.......they'll cover it up for sure.
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892. OSUWXGUY
1:02 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Good morning all!

The vorticity or "spin" that 93L developed overnight is due to a low/mid-level jet that is now rocketing through the northern Lesser Antilles.

The increase of wind speed from south to north over the islands causes a tendency for cyclonic turning - postive vorticity.

Also associated with this jet is extremely dry mid level air...and in my estimation will make it QUITE difficult for 93L to organize over the next 24-48 hours!

891. mattrix
1:01 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
"The last house standing"

890. Orcasystems
1:00 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Blog update

Caribbean System... 93L

Present Satellite picture of BOC/Caribbean

The Next Train.. is this it?

CMC 00Z..
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888. surfmom
12:56 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Hades - Morning - just spoke with my surf buddy in the Phillipines last night -- while Tkeith is mentioning your important work and observations... I too would like to say thanks. My surfbuddy credits your information in helping him get people to his wedding safety the day Feng hit PI. When ever you post stuff regarding his neck of the woods I alert him :)
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887. TheCaneWhisperer
12:53 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Want to donate to the relief effort of Hurricane IKE and don’t know how? Visit www.stormjunkie.com and click on the donate tab at the top of the page.

United We Stand.
886. dean2007
12:50 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting cmackla:
This is what the dates for the Hurricane Season should "actually" read:

Texas/Lousiana/Mississippi: August 1st - Oct 10th
Alabama/Florida Panhandle: August 1st - Oct 15th
Florida Penisula: August 1st - October 20th
South Florida: August 1st - November 1st

Tropical Storm Season:

All regions: May 15th - November 30th


Of course with the exception of the 2005 Hurricane Season where we had a category four and a category five hurricane in July, Dennis and Emily.
885. cmackla
12:48 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
This is what the dates for the Hurricane Season should "actually" read:

Texas/Lousiana/Mississippi: August 1st - Oct 10th
Alabama/Florida Panhandle: August 1st - Oct 15th
Florida Penisula: August 1st - October 20th
South Florida: August 1st - November 1st

Tropical Storm Season:

All regions: May 15th - November 30th
884. Lonewolfsar
12:47 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
KHOU in Houston on the 7AM Weather said there was no activity. If it wasn't for this site I wouldn't now be watching for reports and notifying my Subdivision to prepare. We can now take this time to restock before everyone becomes aware and the supplies become more limited. As I am writing this, at 746AM KHOU mentioned a little spot that they will keep their eye on. Thank you
883. Vero1
12:36 PM GMT on September 19, 2008
Quoting CaptnDan142:
877. TropicTraveler

Good point(s).

Maybe this even explains something - people are wondering why the part-time unpaid (read that: scapegoat) mayor is still "in charge" instead of the person who normally actually runs the city.

My guess is, when it comes time to make the announcement it will be the mayor who is at the podium.


The Mayor and City Manager said the total for The City of Galvestion not Galveston County! No one is asking the Galveston County Officials about their Death Toll.
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