Ike finally dies

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:34 PM GMT on September 14, 2008

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The National Hurricane Center has issued its last advisory on Tropical Depression Ike, which is now accelerating northeastward through Illinois. Ike is causing only modest trouble, dumping 2-5 inches of rain along its path and triggering scattered severe thunderstorms. Ike has generated just five tornadoes so far. Two small tornadoes affected Arkansas yesterday, and three were reported in Louisiana on Friday. The Storm Prediction Center has placed portions of Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio at slight risk today of receiving tornadoes as Ike speeds by.

Ike's damage
In it's wake, Ike has left a Texas-sized disaster. AIR Worldwide, Inc, is estimating that total insured damage in Texas and Louisiana will be $10 billion. An additional $3.4 billion in damage was likely done in the Gulf of Mexico, due to wind and wave damage to oil platforms and the indirect loss of revenue attributable to reductions in oil and gas production. Using the usual rule of thumb that total hurricane damages are double the insured damages, the price tag for Ike will be about $27 billion. That would make Ike the third costliest hurricane in history. Only Hurricane Katrina of 2005 and Hurricane Andrew of 1992 did more damage than Ike has. So far, the death toll from Ike has been remarkably low, considering the level of damage this storm inflicted. Let's hope it stays this way.


Figure 1. Hurricane Ike approaching Galveston Island, as seen by Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR). The white dot in the eye is the freighter Antalina, which got caught in the storm when its engines failed. A tugboat towed the Antilina safely to port on Saturday, and all 22 crewmen are well and the ship is undamaged. They'll have quite a story to tell (bet they barfed plenty)! Image Copyright ESA [2008], captured and processed by CSTARS University of Miami under license from Eurimage. CSTARS runs jointly with the Canadian Space Agency and the European Space Agency a Hurricane Watch program where they take routine SAR images of tropical storms during hurricane season.

The tropics are quiet
On Monday, for the first time since August 15, we will not have a named storm in the Atlantic. The area of disturbed weather (91L) near the Bahamas that we were watching has been done in by dry air and wind shear. There is another area of disturbed weather (92L) midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands we are watching. This disturbance is under about 25 knots of wind shear, and is suffering from dry air to its west. NHC is giving this system a low (<20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday. Wind shear is now expected to remain high, above 20 knots, for the next five days, and I don't see much chance of this system developing.

None of the computer models are forecasting development of any tropical storms in the coming week. We have hit a much-appreciated lull in this season's activity, but we're probably not all done yet. I'll discuss the long-term outlook for the coming two weeks in a blog entry on Tuesday.

My next post will be Monday morning.

Jeff Masters

Intracostal City Flooded (jlp09550)
This is a helicopter shot from above Maxie's Grocery Store in Intracoastal City. (Vermilion Parish, Louisiana)
Intracostal City Flooded
Expressway Flood (edison)
Slow going prior to complete shut down.Ike gets Indiana too.
Expressway Flood

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1316. TheMom
12:29 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Patrap:
A PayPal account is in the works and will have it on My Entry as soon as it is available.

ALL Checks received via mail will be endorsed and deposited into the non-profit account.


Thanks to the bloggers who already have done a overwhelming job of responding.

Were gonna need a Bigger Truck.
Good on You PaTrap! Every group how big or how small helps. We know of a young man that started at age 6 running a group called The Little Red Wagon Foundation Non-profit applications are not an easy thing the paperwork and accountablity is a huge responsiblity so those thinking that you can just throw up a link to get some money are obviousely ignorant of the process you have had to go through and the scrutiny you are under. I'm not sure if you also are a United Way Partner agency but it may be something you would want to look into doing.

To Vortwhatever is there a limit on the amoutn of ignores a person can have? Don't bother answering you are #313.
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1314. MisterJohnny
12:37 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Good Morning, Senior Chief !
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1313. JRRP
12:34 PM GMT on Septiembre 15, 2008
is losing convection 92L????
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1312. JetManDo
8:37 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I don’t know if this has been posted earlier, but some people were asking about it.
Freighter off coast on moveA freighter that lost power off Galveston and endured the impact of Hurricane Ike is now operating under its own power, U.S. Coast Guard officials said Sunday.

The Antalina, a 584-foot Cyprus-flagged bulk freighter, was to move to a point where it can drop anchor and then make port sometime later, said Chief Petty Officer Thomas Blue.

Although the ship is making way on its own, Blue said it is being escorted by a tug boat. The 22-member crew rode out the storm about 170 miles southeast of Galveston.
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1310. papasturgeon
12:30 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
This infuriates me, what 11 dead is better then 1000, what price do you give to a life????
The surge was less then predicted? Are you on narcotics, have you seen the pictures? What, 20 billion is better then 200 billion? Come on, get real. Arm chair quaterbacking. Get on a plane and go help, then report back about hysteria.
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1309. Vero1
12:29 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting BKeen12:
Looks like 92L will be a fish if anything even develops


000
AXNT20 KNHC 151048
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT MON SEP 15 2008

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL
AMERICA...GULF OF MEXICO...CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHERN SECTIONS
OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST
FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED
ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS...WEATHER
OBSERVATIONS...AND RADAR.

BASED ON 0600 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH
1045 UTC.

...SPECIAL FEATURES...
NONE.

...TROPICAL WAVES...
TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 32W S OF 13N MOVING W 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS
LOW AMPLITUDE AND EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ. SCATTERED SHOWERS
ARE WITHIN 120 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 52W/53W FROM 8N-20N WITH A 1011 MB LOW
ANALYZED ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 17N53W MOVING W 10-15 KT. THE
WAVE IS EMBEDDED WITHIN A BROAD AREA OF DEEP LAYERED MOISTURE AS
INDICATED BY MIMIC-TPW ANIMATION. SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED
STRONG CONVECTION IS E OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 15N-19N BETWEEN
46W-52W.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 71W S OF 20N MOVING W 10-15 KT. THIS
WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN AN AREA OF DEEP LAYERED MOISTURE
AND PREDOMINATELY EASTERLY SURFACE FLOW IS OBSERVED ON SATELLITE
IMAGERY. SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE WITHIN 180 NM OF THE WAVE AXIS.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 83W S OF 19N MOVING W 15 KT. INVERTED-V
LOW LEVEL FLOW IS NOTED. CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE TO
ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS OVER THE SW CARIBBEAN FROM 9N-15N
BETWEEN 79W-84W.

...THE ITCZ...
ITCZ AXIS IS ANALYZED ALONG 12N17W 8N30W 8N46W 11N53W 10N62W.
BESIDES THE CONVECTION MENTIONED IN THE TROPICAL WAVE
SECTION...SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS ALONG
THE COAST OF WEST AFRICA FROM 7N-10N BETWEEN 13W-17W. WIDELY
SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 8N-11N BETWEEN 20W-29W.
ISOLATED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 8N-10N BETWEEN 43W-46W.

...DISCUSSION...

GULF OF MEXICO...
A WEAK COLD FRONT EXTENDS FROM NEW ORLEANS LOUISIANA TO
BROWNSVILLE TEXAS ALONG 30N90W 27N93W 26N97W. SCATTERED MODERATE
CONVECTION IS OVER THE NORTHWEST GULF ALONG THE COLD FRONT FROM
24N-27N BETWEEN 93W-98W. A SURFACE RIDGE EXTENDS FROM SURFACE
HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC NEAR 30N74W AND
DOMINATES THE REMAINDER OF THE GULF OF MEXICO. MOSTLY FAIR
WEATHER IS OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO AND FLORIDA.
SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS NOTED OVER THE
BAY OF CAMPECHE FROM 17N-21N BETWEEN 90W-97W. IN THE UPPER
LEVELS...A LOW IS CENTERED NEAR 24N89W...WHICH DOMINATES MOST OF
THE GULF. OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS...EXPECT LIGHT CONVECTION
ASSOCIATED WITH THE FRONT AS THE FRONT SLOWLY DRIFTS EASTWARD.
ALSO...EXPECT AIRMASS SHOWERS OVER FLORIDA...WITH ADDITIONAL
CONVECTION OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE AND THE YUCATAN PENINSULA.

CARIBBEAN SEA...
TWO TROPICAL WAVES ARE OVER THE CARIBBEAN SEA. SEE ABOVE. FRESH
SURFACE EASTERLIES DOMINATE MUCH OF THE REMAINDER OF THE
CARIBBEAN. SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS
INLAND OVER NORTH COLOMBIA AND NORTHWEST VENEZUELA FROM 4N-11N
BETWEEN 72W-78W. SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE ALSO OVER THE LEEWARD
ISLANDS...NORTH OF 14N AND EAST OF 67W. IN THE UPPER
LEVELS...HIGH PRESSURE IS CENTERED OVER THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN
NEAR 14N77W. SIGNIFICANT MOISTURE DOMINATES THE ENTIRE CARIBBEAN
EXCEPT FOR THE WINDWARD ISLANDS SOUTH OF 13N AND EAST OF 70W.
EXPECT CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE TROPICAL WAVES OVER THE
NEXT 24 HOURS. ALSO EXPECT AIRMASS CONVECTION OVER CENTRAL
AMERICA.

ATLANTIC OCEAN...
TWO TROPICAL WAVES ARE OVER THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. SEE ABOVE. A
1016 MB SURFACE HIGH IS OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC NEAR 30N74W. A
1010 MB LOW IS FURTHER EAST NEAR 33N62W. A SURFACE TROUGH
EXTENDS SOUTHWEST FROM THE LOW TO 28N65W. SCATTERED MODERATE
CONVECTION IS EAST OF THE TROUGH AXIS FROM 27N-32N BETWEEN
62W-64W. A 1025 MB SURFACE HIGH IS OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC
NEAR 36N24W. A SURFACE RIDGE EXTENDS SOUTHWEST FROM THE HIGH TO
25N50W. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...RIDGING IS OVER THE WESTERN
ATLANTIC NORTH OF 24N AND WEST OF 70W. AN UPPER LEVEL LOW IS
OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC AROUND 25N47W...WITH ANOTHER UPPER
LEVEL LOW OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC AROUND 30N24W. A LARGE UPPER
LEVEL HIGH IS CENTERED WEST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS NEAR
15N30W. ANTICYCLONIC FLOW IS FROM THE EQUATOR TO 25N EAST OF
50W. EXPECT THE TROPICAL WAVES TO PROPAGATE WEST WITH CONVECTION
OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

$$
AC/MRF
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1308. streamtracker
12:13 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting clamshell:
Actually, Mr Masters was almost hysterical in the weeks prior to Ike
hitting the coast and that might be the root of the problem. Many
others simply did not see things that way. And, for the most part they
were right.

Frankly, I was put off by his hysteria. At one
point, after Ike was gone and it was evident that the surge was not 'as
advertised', he even seemed to lament that had the surge been as
advertised, there would have been thousands of deaths. Is he a
meterologist or is he a journalist...he needs to pick one and stick to
it. This tap dancing is just wrong.


Dr. Masters made his calls based on the best available information at the time. To do otherwise would have been wrong. Had the surge been 20% higher, you would be thanking Dr. Masters for his forewarning. Had the prediction been closer to the maximum predicted surge you wouldn't be making this 20/20 hindsite critique and you'd make like a shell and clam up.
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1307. RevInFL
12:22 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting clamshell:
Actually, Mr Masters was almost hysterical in the weeks prior to Ike hitting the coast and that might be the root of the problem. Many others simply did not see things that way. And, for the most part they were right.

Frankly, I was put off by his hysteria. At one point, after Ike was gone and it was evident that the surge was not 'as advertised', he even seemed to lament that had the surge been as advertised, there would have been thousands of deaths. Is he a meterologist or is he a journalist...he needs to pick one and stick to it. This tap dancing is just wrong.

The damage will likely be determined to be due, in large part, to the fact that many of the structures were simply not constructed to the standards as Florida. Some of the damage that I am seeing depicted is of the type that we would expect here in Florida after an average Cat 3storm and not from one hundred mile an hour wind.

Preparedness of the utilities is another issue. The Naples area recovered in four days and the Miami area took weeks. Downed trees are the major cause of power outages and the extent of the loss of power suggests that the utilities simply did not an adequate job of keeping the power lines clear.

What Barby 'Chicklet' did is inexcusable. She did what the rest of the media does which is exploiting this tradegy to further her own agenda. In this case her agenda to turn this weather event into a political one. Those people are suffering and possibly dying and Barby 'Chicklet' is pushing her political agenda? Shame on her.


First off its Dr. Masters not Mr.. Second if you knew anything about hurricanes and predictions you would know its not an exact science. Dr. Master's gave his best prediction just as every weather person in the world did. It didnt harm anyone if they evacuated and didnt have to. Or would you rather nothing be said and more lives lost? There is no hysteria in predicting. People do they best they do with the information they can obtain.

I do agree that making Ike political is wrong and she should be held accountable for such terrible actions.
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1306. papasturgeon
12:26 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Read this on the blog the other day....we should charge the 2000+ who were rescued in violation of mandatory evacs with the costs of the rescues. Thank God for first response teams, the death toll has been low....I still feel with all my heart that even one death screams that these orders should be taken seriously. But, I can read it now when next year (hope-fiend) a storm threatens that someone "blew it" with Ike. From the looks on the boob tube, no one "blew it" except for some officials.
I'm also reminded when I pull up to the pump today that their are those who take advantage of these situations. Prelim reports indicate some damage to oil industry, but measures have been taken to ease the burden on consumers. A goat passes out in the Middle East and the price spikes. Then , it never really comes back down to the prior level. We'll be paying for Ike all winter....meanwhile wholesale oil drops under 100 dollars a barrel.
Off soap box, on to school.
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1305. Pensacolalurker
12:24 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting BKeen12:
Looks like 92L will be a fish if anything even develops


Though that when I signed off last night, raised a brow this morning to see 92L back on the charts.
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1304. BKeen12
12:13 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Looks like 92L will be a fish if anything even develops
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1303. Patrap
7:11 AM CDT on September 15, 2008
<------To see any members blog or info..just click on any Post's handle.
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1302. clamshell
12:10 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Actually, Mr Masters was almost hysterical in the weeks prior to Ike hitting the coast and that might be the root of the problem. Many others simply did not see things that way. And, for the most part they were right.

Frankly, I was put off by his hysteria. At one point, after Ike was gone and it was evident that the surge was not 'as advertised', he even seemed to lament that had the surge been as advertised, there would have been thousands of deaths. Is he a meterologist or is he a journalist...he needs to pick one and stick to it. This tap dancing is just wrong.

The damage will likely be determined to be due, in large part, to the fact that many of the structures were simply not constructed to the standards as Florida. Some of the damage that I am seeing depicted is of the type that we would expect here in Florida after an average Cat 3storm and not from one hundred mile an hour wind.

Preparedness of the utilities is another issue. The Naples area recovered in four days and the Miami area took weeks. Downed trees are the major cause of power outages and the extent of the loss of power suggests that the utilities simply did not an adequate job of keeping the power lines clear.

What Barby 'Chicklet' did is inexcusable. She did what the rest of the media does which is exploiting this tradegy to further her own agenda. In this case her agenda to turn this weather event into a political one. Those people are suffering and possibly dying and Barby 'Chicklet' is pushing her political agenda? Shame on her.
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1301. MahFL
7:47 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I made many observations after watchind the tv coverage of Ike, most of the week end.

1. Some people are dumb - staying on a 10 ft high peninsular in a Cat2.

2. Most people can't really survive comfortable for more than 2 days without electricity.

3. The branches of government again did not work well together. The FEMA trucks seemed to be based too far away. Why did the state ask FEMA to man the PODS ?

4. Some people are bad- i.e. looters.

5. Most people are good - helping each other.

6. People need to buy lots of ice before the storm hits.

7. Polititions need to realise folks want to get out and about after the storm leaves.

8. Why did the Federal Government place a no fly zone over the West End of Galvaston ?

9. Chertof should resign.

10. The mayor of Galvaston was way out of her depth - a doddering old lady really.


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1300. Patrap
7:10 AM CDT on September 15, 2008
To see an active Blog ,here's the Blog Directory ..its at the top of this and every wu-page.

...Link
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1299. Vero1
11:49 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Chicklit:
Elected officials have a responsibility first for the safety and well being of the people they govern. We knew where Ike was going and what was going to happen twelve if not twenty-four hours before Galveston Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas called for manditory evacuation (9 a.m. Thursday morning) because we were watching the NHC reports and tracks closely. I believe Dr. Masters had also posted information about storm surge in his blog on Wednesday, which may have been the day we received news that the blog being posted was on the New York Times Blog Page.


Not defending the Majors action or inaction, but the watches and warnings did not provide for 72hrs.

First Watch 4pm Wed Sept 10



First Warning 10am Thur Sept 11



Aftermath begins 4pm Fri Sept 12



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1298. gnair
11:56 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Folks, give Chicklit some slack. Weather and disaster preparedness do have political implications and she has a point. Whether or not you agree is not material to her right to make a valid point.

Besides, have you noticed that, in order to get to meaningful stuff on this blog (or any other), you have to wade through an awful lot meaningless chatter from people posting just to hear themselves type. Nothing to do with weather a lot of the time.
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1297. stevejh00
12:04 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Hi there

New user here. Don't forget any wave action ( and there would be plenty ) would be on top of whatever surge height. The surge raises the overall water level,,,everything acts above that.

Steve
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1296. ILwatcher
12:00 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting BahaHurican:
BTW, is there anybody besides me who thinks the surge along Bolivar was greater than 15 ft? I'm looking at piles of debris as high as the 2-story houses they're stacked beside. Whaddya think?


I recall a post from Saturday morning that said a number of the gauges went out. Apologies to the original poster for not catching the name -

Eagle Point's gauge works.
Rollover Pass's gauge broke.
Clear Lake's gauge broke.
Battleship Texas State Park gauge broke.
Morgans Point gauge broke.
And then Sabine Pass works.

Seems like any higher surge readings were lost.

Quick question -- Can anyone here point me to a link for determining rainfall totals for various timeframes for a particular zip code? Chicagoland got WET this weekend and I'm curious what my rainfall totals were.

Thanks in advance.
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1295. BKeen12
11:58 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting TampaSpin:
1290. Chicklit 7:49 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I'm sorry you see this as "rhetoric."
I see it as tragedy.

Anyway, have a great Monday everyone.

P.S. I don't subscribe to either party.


Right we could not tell......ROFLMAO

LOL!!
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1294. TampaSpin
7:54 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
1290. Chicklit 7:49 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I'm sorry you see this as "rhetoric."
I see it as tragedy.

Anyway, have a great Monday everyone.

P.S. I don't subscribe to either party.


Right we could not tell......ROFLMAO
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1293. Stlouiskid
11:51 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
2 dead in st louis
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1292. Stlouiskid
11:49 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting ChemDoc:
Now that Ike is gone I have a question about wind speeds. Examining buoy data for the area near Galveston consistently shows that the continuous speeds maxed between 50 and 55 kts with maximum gusts around 70. These are both much lower than the reported speeds. Why? Are the buoy data, which are actual measurements, too low? Are the reported values inferred from radar or some such method that overestimates the speed?



the swells make it hard for it to have an accurate reading...its in the bowll of the wave half the time, or could have become mispositioned
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1291. AirTrafficMan
11:48 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
How do I get to Patrap's wu page?

Oh, and good morning everyone. I see we have morphed into a political blog. Guess I will go to Politco.com to get the weather!! LOL.

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1290. Chicklit
6:45 AM EST on September 15, 2008
I'm sorry you see this as "rhetoric."
I see it as tragedy.

Anyway, have a great Monday everyone.

P.S. I don't subscribe to either party.
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1289. ChemDoc
11:46 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Now that Ike is gone I have a question about wind speeds. Examining buoy data for the area near Galveston consistently shows that the continuous speeds maxed between 50 and 55 kts with maximum gusts around 70. These are both much lower than the reported speeds. Why? Are the buoy data, which are actual measurements, too low? Are the reported values inferred from radar or some such method that overestimates the speed?
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1288. Chicklit
6:32 AM EST on September 15, 2008
Elected officials have a responsibility first for the safety and well being of the people they govern. We knew where Ike was going and what was going to happen twelve if not twenty-four hours before Galveston Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas called for manditory evacuation (9 a.m. Thursday morning) because we were watching the NHC reports and tracks closely. I believe Dr. Masters had also posted information about storm surge in his blog on Wednesday, which may have been the day we received news that the blog being posted was on the New York Times Blog Page.
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1287. GaleWeathers
7:30 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Chicklit:

Yes, me too. I'm a little suspicious about the silence. I think the Galveston fiasco has national political implications. Like it or not, the female mayor of Galveston did not enact the emergency management plan which would have required 72 hours to completely evacuate the island. Candidate Palin, a neophyte and in no way qualified for the presidency, is a heart beat away from the job if McCain gets elected. There will be transference here in political terms, so I would suspect Bush would do all he can to keep a lid on things until at least after November 5th although they won't be able to deny a lot of people haven't shown up for the traditional Thanksgiving Dinners! I don't see how 20,000 people could have ridden out that storm on Galveston Island without many more casualties. Are they letting the press in yet?


I'd rather not hear political rhetoric on a weather blog. Thank you.
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1286. TampaSpin
7:28 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
1284. JaxJags69 7:27 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Chicklit:

Yes, me too. I'm a little suspicious about the silence. I think the Galveston fiasco has national political implications. Like it or not, the female mayor of Galveston did not enact the emergency management plan which would have required 72 hours to completely evacuate the island. Candidate Palin, a neophyte and in no way qualified for the presidency, is a heart beat away from the job if McCain gets elected. There will be transference here in political terms, so I would suspect Bush would do all he can to keep a lid on things until at least after November 5th although they won't be able to deny a lot of people haven't shown up for the traditional Thanksgiving Dinners! I don't see how 20,000 people could have ridden out that storm on Galveston Island without many more casualties. Are they letting the press in yet?



Chicklit. did you go to the wrong blog this morning?
this is the weather blog. not the political blog that wants have their paychecks taken away from them.



IM sure a ban is coming.......LOL
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1285. RyanCRG
11:26 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
No, it's an election year, why let the press know anything? Besides EVERYTHING'S JUST FINE FOLKS, DON'T MIND WHATS GOING ON IN BOLIVAR, GALVESTON, THE WEST END OR ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE COAST, EVERYTHING'S FINE. Just stay home and don't ask questions, in return ICE!

Quoting Chicklit:

Yes, me too. I'm a little suspicious about the silence. I think the Galveston fiasco has national political implications. Like it or not, the female mayor of Galveston did not enact the emergency management plan which would have required 72 hours to completely evacuate the island. Candidate Palin, a neophyte and in no way qualified for the presidency, is a heart beat away from the job if McCain gets elected. There will be transference here in political terms, so I would suspect Bush would do all he can to keep a lid on things until at least after November 5th although they won't be able to deny a lot of people haven't shown up for the traditional Thanksgiving Dinners! I don't see how 20,000 people could have ridden out that storm on Galveston Island without many more casualties. Are they letting the press in yet?
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1284. JaxJags69
7:26 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Chicklit:

Yes, me too. I'm a little suspicious about the silence. I think the Galveston fiasco has national political implications. Like it or not, the female mayor of Galveston did not enact the emergency management plan which would have required 72 hours to completely evacuate the island. Candidate Palin, a neophyte and in no way qualified for the presidency, is a heart beat away from the job if McCain gets elected. There will be transference here in political terms, so I would suspect Bush would do all he can to keep a lid on things until at least after November 5th although they won't be able to deny a lot of people haven't shown up for the traditional Thanksgiving Dinners! I don't see how 20,000 people could have ridden out that storm on Galveston Island without many more casualties. Are they letting the press in yet?


Chicklit. did you go to the wrong blog this morning?
this is the weather blog. not the political blog that wants have their paychecks taken away from them.
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1282. TampaSpin
7:18 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I just updated my blog if anyone would like to review.......thanks....

TampaSpins Tropical Update Link
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1281. Thundercloud01221991
11:16 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting BahaHurican:
I gotta head out to work. Have the best day possible, everyone!



I will while I clean up my yard that is going to take a few hours

I just noticed I also have siding damage
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1280. JRRP
11:12 AM GMT on Septiembre 15, 2008
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1279. BahaHurican
7:06 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I gotta head out to work. Have the best day possible, everyone!
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1278. Thundercloud01221991
11:06 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
wanted to report damage here in W NY

- 45000 w/o power

- Large trees down

- I have 4 in diameter branches down

- Roof damage in areas

- Media reported approx 100 mil of damages
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1277. BahaHurican
6:58 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-ikesurvivors_15met.ART.State. Edition1.26be5e8.html

The group of more than 20 people thought they had left their homes in Galveston County in plenty of time to beat Hurricane Ike's expected arrival. But as they got into their cars at 4 a.m. Saturday and caravanned out of town, they quickly realized their timing was off.

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1276. RyanCRG
10:59 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
OK, I've stayed up way too late. I even ate one of my MRE's just for the hell of it. It's some really fatty food. At least the beef enchilada/refried beans one. Man i should have made a sandwich. I feel it right in my gut lol. IT IS emergency food that's for sure. But at least I can say I have had my reminder for the season. It really sucks for folks in TX and LA who HAVE to eat it. Hopefully i digest it well and am ok in the am. Have a good one folks I'll try to be up by noon.....
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1275. BahaHurican
6:40 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080914_tj_crystal_beach_bolivar_damage_ike.7a0a4be9.html

Gilchrest wiped out. Crystal Beach is gone. Seriously injured wildlife in the High Island area.
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1274. groundgirl
10:43 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting BahaHurican:
BTW, is there anybody besides me who thinks the surge along Bolivar was greater than 15 ft? I'm looking at piles of debris as high as the 2-story houses they're stacked beside. Whaddya think?
I think it's possible but debris floats, is there a way to tell? Lots of people in Katrina said surge in Gulport/Biloxi was 20' and then another 32' surge.
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1273. indianrivguy
6:41 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
I agree baha.. I just don't see 15ft surge sweeping entire neighborhoods away, and scouring the land like it is.
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1272. BahaHurican
6:38 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
BTW, is there anybody besides me who thinks the surge along Bolivar was greater than 15 ft? I'm looking at piles of debris as high as the 2-story houses they're stacked beside. Whaddya think?
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1271. BahaHurican
6:22 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Hey, Chick. I've seen anywhere from 9000 to 20000 in various reports. Death toll is unofficially up to 28 in some reports, but these include quite a few non-TX/LA deaths from yesterday.

I looked at the flyover video of Bolivar when I got up this a.m. I really hope and pray everybody got off that spit of land beforehand. I also read one news piece that mentioned a man who was picked up on the NORTH side of Galveston Bay after being washed out of his Crystal Beach home. . . . I have a bad feeling about the numbers in TX . . .
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1270. indianrivguy
6:21 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Good morning Gang!! When I was in the Navy putting my own submarine in commision, the USS Cavalla was the next boat on the ways. Shipped out on her during seatrails. I had no idea the Gato Class boat was in Houston.

This morning the local Mets said 28 dead so far. Far fewer than I expected, but of course this is liable to still grow.
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1269. Chicklit
5:17 AM EST on September 15, 2008
Quoting BahaHurican:
Helloooooo. . . . .

Good Morning!
Here's an update on aftermath.
This article says 20,000 stayed on Galveston Island.
Link
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1268. FLWeatherFreak91
6:11 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Whoops! The NHC made a small mistake. If you run your mouse over the yellow 'low potential for tropical development' symbol in the middle of the Atl, it says that the hydrological center of NY has issued its last adv on Ike.
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1267. BahaHurican
6:09 AM EDT on September 15, 2008
Helloooooo. . . . .
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1266. CaptnDan142
9:11 AM GMT on September 15, 2008
Question regarding storm damage in Galveston:

Somebody here said it, and they even said on one of the Houston TV stations that the USS Stewart, the Destroyer Escort at Seawolf State Park on Pelican Island is on the ground - and that is attributed to storm damage.

I don't remember the submarine or it being in the water. I have Googled it and I cannot find any picture that shows it in the water.

Does anybody know if the storm actually did this?
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