Ike finally dies

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:34 PM GMT on September 14, 2008

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The National Hurricane Center has issued its last advisory on Tropical Depression Ike, which is now accelerating northeastward through Illinois. Ike is causing only modest trouble, dumping 2-5 inches of rain along its path and triggering scattered severe thunderstorms. Ike has generated just five tornadoes so far. Two small tornadoes affected Arkansas yesterday, and three were reported in Louisiana on Friday. The Storm Prediction Center has placed portions of Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio at slight risk today of receiving tornadoes as Ike speeds by.

Ike's damage
In it's wake, Ike has left a Texas-sized disaster. AIR Worldwide, Inc, is estimating that total insured damage in Texas and Louisiana will be $10 billion. An additional $3.4 billion in damage was likely done in the Gulf of Mexico, due to wind and wave damage to oil platforms and the indirect loss of revenue attributable to reductions in oil and gas production. Using the usual rule of thumb that total hurricane damages are double the insured damages, the price tag for Ike will be about $27 billion. That would make Ike the third costliest hurricane in history. Only Hurricane Katrina of 2005 and Hurricane Andrew of 1992 did more damage than Ike has. So far, the death toll from Ike has been remarkably low, considering the level of damage this storm inflicted. Let's hope it stays this way.


Figure 1. Hurricane Ike approaching Galveston Island, as seen by Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR). The white dot in the eye is the freighter Antalina, which got caught in the storm when its engines failed. A tugboat towed the Antilina safely to port on Saturday, and all 22 crewmen are well and the ship is undamaged. They'll have quite a story to tell (bet they barfed plenty)! Image Copyright ESA [2008], captured and processed by CSTARS University of Miami under license from Eurimage. CSTARS runs jointly with the Canadian Space Agency and the European Space Agency a Hurricane Watch program where they take routine SAR images of tropical storms during hurricane season.

The tropics are quiet
On Monday, for the first time since August 15, we will not have a named storm in the Atlantic. The area of disturbed weather (91L) near the Bahamas that we were watching has been done in by dry air and wind shear. There is another area of disturbed weather (92L) midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands we are watching. This disturbance is under about 25 knots of wind shear, and is suffering from dry air to its west. NHC is giving this system a low (<20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday. Wind shear is now expected to remain high, above 20 knots, for the next five days, and I don't see much chance of this system developing.

None of the computer models are forecasting development of any tropical storms in the coming week. We have hit a much-appreciated lull in this season's activity, but we're probably not all done yet. I'll discuss the long-term outlook for the coming two weeks in a blog entry on Tuesday.

My next post will be Monday morning.

Jeff Masters

Intracostal City Flooded (jlp09550)
This is a helicopter shot from above Maxie's Grocery Store in Intracoastal City. (Vermilion Parish, Louisiana)
Intracostal City Flooded
Expressway Flood (edison)
Slow going prior to complete shut down.Ike gets Indiana too.
Expressway Flood

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1416. hurricanejunky
7:10 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Wasn't Opal a BOC storm?
Great. All we need is another CV storm. Generally if they do make it this way they're a pain. If I leave the shutters up a little longer it'll stave off any further attacks.
One can only hope. My heart goes out to everyone trying to get past Ike.

HJ
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1415. stillwaiting
3:46 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Greyelf:
I apologize in advance if this has already been covered, but has anyone ever found out the fate of those people shown on TV that were all partying in some bar on the island that I believe was by the seawall? I believe it was like 20 or so people.



one of the new stations was there and actually scared the people in the bar to leaving and closing up the bar!!!!shouldn't have been open in the first place...
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1414. Vero1
3:22 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Why we post on the blog when the NEW BLOG is up?
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1413. Greyelf
3:21 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting SFLGirl1:


Yes, i think they all made it out fine, i saw them airlifted by coast guard, the reports came in how they were all drunk and parting, until the realize opps they shouldnt have been there

Thanks for the reply. Shame we had to use valuable resources on them. I thought sure someone was going to say they met with a bad outcome.
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1412. Vero1
3:16 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Cotillion:


To see the area where Kman is talking about.

(80.5W, 11N... Basically where that huge red blob is.)

000
AXNT20 KNHC 151048
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT MON SEP 15 2008

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL
AMERICA...GULF OF MEXICO...CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHERN SECTIONS
OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST
FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED
ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS...WEATHER
OBSERVATIONS...AND RADAR.

BASED ON 0600 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH
1045 UTC.

...SPECIAL FEATURES...
NONE.

...TROPICAL WAVES...
TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 32W S OF 13N MOVING W 15 KT. THIS WAVE IS
LOW AMPLITUDE AND EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ. SCATTERED SHOWERS
ARE WITHIN 120 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 52W/53W FROM 8N-20N WITH A 1011 MB LOW
ANALYZED ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 17N53W MOVING W 10-15 KT. THE
WAVE IS EMBEDDED WITHIN A BROAD AREA OF DEEP LAYERED MOISTURE AS
INDICATED BY MIMIC-TPW ANIMATION. SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED
STRONG CONVECTION IS E OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 15N-19N BETWEEN
46W-52W.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 71W S OF 20N MOVING W 10-15 KT. THIS
WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN AN AREA OF DEEP LAYERED MOISTURE
AND PREDOMINATELY EASTERLY SURFACE FLOW IS OBSERVED ON SATELLITE
IMAGERY. SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE WITHIN 180 NM OF THE WAVE AXIS.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 83W S OF 19N MOVING W 15 KT. INVERTED-V
LOW LEVEL FLOW IS NOTED. CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE TO
ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS OVER THE SW CARIBBEAN FROM 9N-15N
BETWEEN 79W-84W.

...THE ITCZ...
ITCZ AXIS IS ANALYZED ALONG 12N17W 8N30W 8N46W 11N53W 10N62W.
BESIDES THE CONVECTION MENTIONED IN THE TROPICAL WAVE
SECTION...SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS ALONG
THE COAST OF WEST AFRICA FROM 7N-10N BETWEEN 13W-17W. WIDELY
SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 8N-11N BETWEEN 20W-29W.
ISOLATED MODERATE CONVECTION IS FROM 8N-10N BETWEEN 43W-46W.

...DISCUSSION...

GULF OF MEXICO...
A WEAK COLD FRONT EXTENDS FROM NEW ORLEANS LOUISIANA TO
BROWNSVILLE TEXAS ALONG 30N90W 27N93W 26N97W. SCATTERED MODERATE
CONVECTION IS OVER THE NORTHWEST GULF ALONG THE COLD FRONT FROM
24N-27N BETWEEN 93W-98W. A SURFACE RIDGE EXTENDS FROM SURFACE
HIGH PRESSURE OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC NEAR 30N74W AND
DOMINATES THE REMAINDER OF THE GULF OF MEXICO. MOSTLY FAIR
WEATHER IS OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO AND FLORIDA.
SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS NOTED OVER THE
BAY OF CAMPECHE FROM 17N-21N BETWEEN 90W-97W. IN THE UPPER
LEVELS...A LOW IS CENTERED NEAR 24N89W...WHICH DOMINATES MOST OF
THE GULF. OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS...EXPECT LIGHT CONVECTION
ASSOCIATED WITH THE FRONT AS THE FRONT SLOWLY DRIFTS EASTWARD.
ALSO...EXPECT AIRMASS SHOWERS OVER FLORIDA...WITH ADDITIONAL
CONVECTION OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE AND THE YUCATAN PENINSULA.

CARIBBEAN SEA...
TWO TROPICAL WAVES ARE OVER THE CARIBBEAN SEA. SEE ABOVE. FRESH
SURFACE EASTERLIES DOMINATE MUCH OF THE REMAINDER OF THE
CARIBBEAN. SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS
INLAND OVER NORTH COLOMBIA AND NORTHWEST VENEZUELA FROM 4N-11N
BETWEEN 72W-78W. SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE ALSO OVER THE LEEWARD
ISLANDS...NORTH OF 14N AND EAST OF 67W. IN THE UPPER
LEVELS...HIGH PRESSURE IS CENTERED OVER THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN
NEAR 14N77W. SIGNIFICANT MOISTURE DOMINATES THE ENTIRE CARIBBEAN
EXCEPT FOR THE WINDWARD ISLANDS SOUTH OF 13N AND EAST OF 70W.
EXPECT CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE TROPICAL WAVES OVER THE
NEXT 24 HOURS. ALSO EXPECT AIRMASS CONVECTION OVER CENTRAL
AMERICA.

ATLANTIC OCEAN...
TWO TROPICAL WAVES ARE OVER THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. SEE ABOVE. A
1016 MB SURFACE HIGH IS OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC NEAR 30N74W. A
1010 MB LOW IS FURTHER EAST NEAR 33N62W. A SURFACE TROUGH
EXTENDS SOUTHWEST FROM THE LOW TO 28N65W. SCATTERED MODERATE
CONVECTION IS EAST OF THE TROUGH AXIS FROM 27N-32N BETWEEN
62W-64W. A 1025 MB SURFACE HIGH IS OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC
NEAR 36N24W. A SURFACE RIDGE EXTENDS SOUTHWEST FROM THE HIGH TO
25N50W. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...RIDGING IS OVER THE WESTERN
ATLANTIC NORTH OF 24N AND WEST OF 70W. AN UPPER LEVEL LOW IS
OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC AROUND 25N47W...WITH ANOTHER UPPER
LEVEL LOW OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC AROUND 30N24W. A LARGE UPPER
LEVEL HIGH IS CENTERED WEST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS NEAR
15N30W. ANTICYCLONIC FLOW IS FROM THE EQUATOR TO 25N EAST OF
50W. EXPECT THE TROPICAL WAVES TO PROPAGATE WEST WITH CONVECTION
OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

$$
AC/MRF
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1411. SFLGirl1
3:14 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Greyelf:
I apologize in advance if this has already been covered, but has anyone ever found out the fate of those people shown on TV that were all partying in some bar on the island that I believe was by the seawall? I believe it was like 20 or so people.


Yes, i think they all made it out fine, i saw them airlifted by coast guard, the reports came in how they were all drunk and parting, until the realize opps they shouldnt have been there
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1410. Cotillion
3:10 PM GMT on September 15, 2008


To see the area where Kman is talking about.

(80.5W, 11N... Basically where that huge red blob is.)
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1409. Greyelf
3:09 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
I apologize in advance if this has already been covered, but has anyone ever found out the fate of those people shown on TV that were all partying in some bar on the island that I believe was by the seawall? I believe it was like 20 or so people.
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1408. stormmaven
3:07 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
Good Morning....Hopefully the tropics will remain quiet for while (regardless of the CMC models) as Ike brought out a lot of negative attacks and comments between Blog participants while in the middle of crisis/land falling storm; it was very dissapointing to see........Looking forward to Dr. M's outlook tommorow and to plenty of assistance to the folks impacted by Ike as recovery efforts continue.....

I did see some of the bickering and much of it was about credentials and "meet and greet" comments. The "meet and greet" clogs the blog and diminishes this blog
There are people of every level of skill that visit this blog. I think that the biggest issue is about those claiming to be a meteorologist.
The AMS has an online Glossary that has definitions .Among those definitions is found :
METEOROLOGIST - A person who is professionally employed in the study or practice of meteorology. ....Individuals who have completed the requirements for a college degree in meteorology...
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1407. theshepherd
3:05 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting GaleWeathers:


Thanks. I did google it and found that site, but my property doesn't come up. Maybe because I am unincorporated...dunno. I just put in an address in town and that was close enough.

Go to google earth and find your house, then compare to their image.
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1406. Cotillion
3:02 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting KEHCharleston:


I see what you are talking about (I am learning). Wouldn't that be the Bay of Campeche? I think I remember someone here saying that storms developing there do not have much of a chance getting out to the GOM. Y'all correct me if I am wrong


Nope. The Bay of Campeche is on the Western side of the Yucatan peninsula. That's near Costa Rica, in the Southern Carib.
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1405. KEHCharleston
3:00 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting kmanislander:

Of more concern to me now is the surface low in the SW Caribbean near 11N 80.5W as seen on the linked quikscat pass. Convection has been firing there since yesterday and with high pressure aloft something could get going there in the next day or two if it persists. Something to watch close to home

Link


I see what you are talking about (I am learning). Wouldn't that be the Bay of Campeche? I think I remember someone here saying that storms developing there do not have much of a chance getting out to the GOM. Y'all correct me if I am wrong
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1404. GaleWeathers
2:59 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting theshepherd:
1390...GW
Yep...Google Palm Beach County Storm Surge
The Palm Bch Co Emerg Mgmt agency (SAMS)has a surge generator.


Thanks. I did google it and found that site, but my property doesn't come up. Maybe because I am unincorporated...dunno. I just put in an address in town and that was close enough.
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1403. TheCaneWhisperer
2:53 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Morning All.

Prayers to those affected in the path of Ike and hope for a speedy recovery.

GFS 7 Days Out.
Consecutive runs showing a rather formidable CV Cyclone forming. Looks like our slumber may be short lived, well needed though.
1402. kmanislander
2:51 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Good morning all

Two areas of interest today. The first, 92L , is a naked swirl near 18.5N and does not appear to be an immediate threat to develop although further to the SE there are signs that perhaps another low may be trying to form in the convection displaced from 92L.

Of more concern to me now is the surface low in the SW Caribbean near 11N 80.5W as seen on the linked quikscat pass. Convection has been firing there since yesterday and with high pressure aloft something could get going there in the next day or two if it persists. Something to watch close to home

Link
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1401. KEHCharleston
2:50 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting TheMom:
Nice to see I'm not the only one that feels this way about the gonzo news coverage and would like to add the faster way besides ratings hits and letters to stations is letters to the companies that sponsor these types of reporters that if you support this type of show then we will find another outlet for our prep and recovery needs purchase. A letter and withdrawal of revenue to an advertiser works a lot faster that waiting for Nelsons to effect change.

Excellent idea. I do not have a TV setup (not good reception and too cheap to get cable). I wonder if folks could start listing the advertisers. I have no problem withdrawing my patronage of their products ( I buy almost nothing from China, for instance)
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1400. ILwatcher
2:49 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting StormJunkie:
Morning all

KEH or anyone else...



You have mail
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1399. GaleWeathers
2:48 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting StormJunkie:
Morning all

KEH or anyone else...

I am not sure exactly what I plan on doing, but if anyone has any pre Friday morning coverage that the media was doing, I would love to have links or official text. Also looking for the press conference when Lyda Ann Thomas finally called for mandatory evacuations. There was also an interview where she questioned who said "certain death" (was the NWS). Please WU mail me anything you have or drop it in my neglected blog.

Thanks all!


This might be of some help.

Truveo (Videos tagged KHOU & Ike)
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1398. usa777
2:47 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
These last few days have really brought back some terrible memories for me. It's great to see people here providing info on how to help these people out. They need help now more then ever. Four of us from work here in Maryland are traveling to the Houston area Wednesday to aid in the Red Cross work going on in the area. I was one of the fortunate survivors of Katrina in the Bay St louis Miss. area and we didn't see help for days. The storm may be over but I can tell you. These people will suffer from this storm the rest of there lives.
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1397. flaboyinga
2:46 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
There seems to be a wave or two coming off of Africa. I haven't tried to post a sat image before. Hope this works OK.


1396. weathernutTX
2:46 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Y'all might want to revisit weather modification 101. Scott Stevens forecast of this storm was spot on regarding how it would behave from before landfall all the way along its journey across the USA.
1395. theshepherd
2:46 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
1390...GW
Yep...Google Palm Beach County Storm Surge
The Palm Bch Co Emerg Mgmt agency (SAMS)has a surge generator.
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1394. TheMom
2:45 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Nice to see I'm not the only one that feels this way about the gonzo news coverage and would like to add the faster way besides ratings hits and letters to stations is letters to the companies that sponsor these types of reporters that if you support this type of show then we will find another outlet for our prep and recovery needs purchase. A letter and withdrawal of revenue to an advertiser works a lot faster that waiting for Nelsons to effect change.
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1393. Patrap
2:40 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
As soon as we have that code in Hand wetbankguy.

We shall have it spread widely with a PayPal DONATE Button everywhere we can..

Thanks for that inquiry.
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1392. Markx999
2:39 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Cotillion:


SSDD...?


Single Sided Double Density
1391. KEHCharleston
2:38 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
G'morning SJ
I've been unable to keep up with the blog as much as I would like. However, I have caught some of your posts. Slowly but surely, I have come to see it your way. (This does not absolve individuals for not doing a better job of taking care of their families).
Even in official guidelines it is stated to listen to local authorities. We now know (Katrina, Ike) that this is not necessarily a good plan. Local authorities may not have a grasp on the situation and may be guided by political concerns.
SJ, what is it that you are proposing? I think many of us would be interested in seeing that future evacuations are heeded.

Patrap
Thanks for setting up a fund where we can give immediate help to those who found themselves in harms way. (Double thanks for setting it up so we can use paypal)
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1390. GaleWeathers
2:34 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
OT: Does anyone know if there is a website out there where I can see storm surge estimates for the SE Florida coast, more specifically Palm Beach. A friend was asking me what type of storm surge it would take to flood 6 miles inland. I was curious as well. TIA.
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1389. theshepherd
2:32 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
1381...
There's good and bad in every crowd
As an X-first responder(deputy) in the old days in N Fla, I gave one and only one warning. Firefighters and paramedics don't have that luxury.
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1388. WetBankGuy
2:31 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Patrap:
PaTrap when you have time after the inital things are set up will you also apply to be one of the charities on Ebay that way those of us that might be able to donate by way of autioning collectibles or what not can have the auction go directly to your charity.
Thanks again for what you are doing to help all those that are going to come home to so much loss.


Im learning real fast in a Hurry about PayPal and those DONATE Buttons.

To be sure were getting it all set up in a Professional manner with all the Bells and whistles that PayPal has.

Thanks for the words on that.


Patrap, if you send me the PayPal code privately I can try to encourage the NOLA Blogging community to post the button on their sites. Send it to me in a private WU mail or to the email I sent previously.
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1387. Vero1
2:31 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting StormJunkie:
Morning all

KEH or anyone else...

I am not sure exactly what I plan on doing, but if anyone has any pre Friday morning coverage that the media was doing, I would love to have links or official text. Also looking for the press conference when Lyda Ann Thomas finally called for mandatory evacuations. There was also an interview where she questioned who said "certain death" (was the NWS). Please WU mail me anything you have or drop it in my neglected blog.

Thanks all!

KHOU site has a video archive for both "Dr, Neil Frank and weather" and other IKE Storm related videos.

http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826&live=yes&noad=yes

You talking about things like this?
Galveston considers voluntary evacuations
September 9th, 2008The decision to ask for the voluntary evacuation would not come until after a conference call with weather officials on Tuesday night, said City Manager Steve LeBlanc.

http://www.khou.com/video/caught-index.html?nvid=280890

News Archives: http://www.khou.com/
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1386. TheMom
2:27 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting KEHCharleston:
BR>Legally they have a right to be there, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think it is terribly irresponsible of the media and that they do contribute to the feeling that this can be weathered in place. Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I wonder if letters/calls/emails to the media providers would help?

You hit the nail on the head; LEGAL ablity to do something is not equal to MORAL obligation. And yes writting to the stations that go out of their way to add to the drama in conjuction with turning them off can maybe help some but as long as our youtube society puts more weight on getting to see dancing bears and gonzo journalist will will continue to not get facts but instead "America's Funniest Tragedies" brought to you by *insert company here*.
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1385. NEwxguy
2:25 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
over the next couple of weeks,we will probably be beseiged by stories of survival,but I'm dying to hear from the 22 crewman on that disabled ship who had to ride out the storm.That will be an incredible story.
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1384. buhkeiz
2:21 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting BrockBerlin:
Anyone know where I can find windspeed reports regarding the storm?


The NHC AOML research page has sat-based wind product.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/data_sub/wind2008.html

The page is really slow during when a storm isnt threatening. I think they switch servers during storms to something quicker.

Anyone else have insights? Also looking for a flood information site.
1383. weathermanwannabe
2:21 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Good Morning....Hopefully the tropics will remain quiet for while (regardless of the CMC models) as Ike brought out a lot of negative attacks and comments between Blog participants while in the middle of crisis/land falling storm; it was very dissapointing to see........Looking forward to Dr. M's outlook tommorow and to plenty of assistance to the folks impacted by Ike as recovery efforts continue.....
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1382. StormJunkie
2:18 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Morning all

KEH or anyone else...

I am not sure exactly what I plan on doing, but if anyone has any pre Friday morning coverage that the media was doing, I would love to have links or official text. Also looking for the press conference when Lyda Ann Thomas finally called for mandatory evacuations. There was also an interview where she questioned who said "certain death" (was the NWS). Please WU mail me anything you have or drop it in my neglected blog.

Thanks all!
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1381. flaboyinga
2:15 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting KEHCharleston:
I lost my connection for a moment - so I apologize if this is a duplicate post.


Legally they have a right to be there, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think it is terribly irresponsible of the media and that they do contribute to the feeling that this can be weathered in place. Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I wonder if letters/calls/emails to the media providers would help?



Any first responders want to relate their thoughts to the joy of having media people driving over fire hoses, blocking access roads, filming victims before families are notified, etc. I don't miss that since I left Central Fla.(If you aren't part of the solution, you might be part of the problem)
1380. theshepherd
2:13 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting KEHCharleston:
I lost my connection for a moment - so I apologize if this is a duplicate post.


Legally they have a right to be there, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think it is terribly irresponsible of the media and that they do contribute to the feeling that this can be weathered in place. Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I wonder if letters/calls/emails to the media providers would help?


The only thing they care about is ratings. Convince a few million people to stop watching and they'll stop these broadcasts. Unfortunately, J Q Public still possesses the ancient gladiator mentality. Shock Jocs and all.
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1379. agrarianrrl
2:10 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
yes, Ike sure did sweep out fast...feeling the remnants of it here in Nova Scotia...gusts of 70 km hr.


1378. LLHi
2:08 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Good morning.
I can't believe how fast y'all have gotten things going, Patrap and Press.
Just amazing.

many thanks
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1377. myway
2:06 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting KEHCharleston:
I lost my connection for a moment - so I apologize if this is a duplicate post.


Legally they have a right to be there, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think it is terribly irresponsible of the media and that they do contribute to the feeling that this can be weathered in place. Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I wonder if letters/calls/emails to the media providers would help?



The media gives people what they want to see. It is unfortunatly human nature to sit and watch the misery of others. People do it every day when there is a car wreck (slow down to a crawl, to look). The front page of a newspaper very rarely leads with good news.

Ther is also a segment of society that would claim that the media is being kept away as part of a govt. coverup (some are on this blog).
I personnaly do not like reporters, but they do serve a purpose.
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1376. Orcasystems
2:05 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Updated Blog with CMC information... its not a pretty sight.
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1375. KEHCharleston
2:00 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
I lost my connection for a moment - so I apologize if this is a duplicate post.

Quoting TheMom:

The media (in my opinion) must lead by example and not be in maditory evacuation areas. If your camera isn't there for them to dance around in a bear costume or try to drag little Suzie to be on TV they might be getting out and going to the shelters or family out of harms way. There is technology able to allow for unmanned recording of the events that are unfolding we don't need to see a body being knocked around in the wind to see the water eclipsing a 17 foot barrier. If anything unmanned continous feed recording devices give more information than 30 second soundbites.
If you put your cameras in the shelters and out at gas stations and travel stops along the evacuation routes you will get your "human interest" but you also will have the boozos that just want to be on TV hauling thier butts out of harms way to get where you are.
The "Weaterazzi" drama needs to not be in manditory evacuation areas anymore it's enough already.

Legally they have a right to be there, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think it is terribly irresponsible of the media and that they do contribute to the feeling that this can be weathered in place. Any ideas on how to accomplish this? I wonder if letters/calls/emails to the media providers would help?

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1374. Patrap
2:00 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Most Likely it was..

"Ahhhhhhhhhh,Roger That...Okay ,Mon Cher"
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1373. flaboyinga
1:59 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Cotillion:


Ah ha. Thanks for clarifying, somehow I didn't see that. Coffee levels low, perhaps...

I'll gladly settle for SSDD as opposed to a couple of tornadoes or some other "sauce for the goose" in my day. It doesn't break my heart that the radio scanner has been very quiet lately.IMO
1372. Enola
1:59 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting AirTrafficMan:
I was on a Canadian aviation Telcon yesterday and they were talking about the weather for today. The host, from the Ottawa Command Center, said, "And the Americans are going to give us a present with the name of Ike". I responded that the Haitians gave it to the Cubans, the Cubans gave it to us and so it is only fair that we pass it along. But since we are so nice to our northern neighbors it will be in a reduced state.

What was their response to your comment?
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1371. AirTrafficMan
1:50 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
I was on a Canadian aviation Telcon yesterday and they were talking about the weather for today. The host, from the Ottawa Command Center, said, "And the Americans are going to give us a present with the name of Ike". I responded that the Haitians gave it to the Cubans, the Cubans gave it to us and so it is only fair that we pass it along. But since we are so nice to our northern neighbors it will be in a reduced state.
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1370. TheMom
1:50 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Striker:


Yes Ike WAS a bad boy up here in Ohio, sustained winds of 40-50 and gusts to almost hurricane strength. In Columbus/Central Ohio 200+ Thousand out of power due to downed lines and trees. Up here we can deal with snow/ice but we are not equiped to handle sustained winds like this

"At 8:40 a.m. Monday, American Electric Power reported more than 272,000 customers without power in Franklin County, 23,000 customers in Licking County, 17,000 customers in Fairfield County and 33,000 customers in Delaware County, 10TV News reported."

And to top it off AEP sent crews to Texas and are now being recalled:

"Many power companies, including AEP, sent crews to Texas to assist in hurricane repairs. AEP said that crews were recalled back to Ohio. Electric companies from other states were also offering help in restoring power."

http://www.wbns10tv.com/



Just crazy! Glad you all are safe and just going to be a huge shock to see the real full picture of this hurrican season. I'm sure there is still not a full pictures of the early storms damage with more and more hits coming one a top the next. We can only wishcast an early end to this season but be aware and hope that those that left unaffected areas and were reported to say they would not leave again open their eyes to what happened around them.
It is really scary to hear those words again and again no matter what destruction is shown there are those that left that say they will not again and there are those that now say they will not stay again.
We can't control these beasts from the sea we have to find a way to control getting people out of their ways in an effective and timely manner.
The media (in my opinion) must lead by example and not be in maditory evacuation areas. If your camera isn't there for them to dance around in a bear costume or try to drag little Suzie to be on TV they might be getting out and going to the shelters or family out of harms way. There is technology able to allow for unmanned recording of the events that are unfolding we don't need to see a body being knocked around in the wind to see the water eclipsing a 17 foot barrier. If anything unmanned continous feed recording devices give more information than 30 second soundbites.
If you put your cameras in the shelters and out at gas stations and travel stops along the evacuation routes you will get your "human interest" but you also will have the boozos that just want to be on TV hauling thier butts out of harms way to get where you are.
The "Weaterazzi" drama needs to not be in manditory evacuation areas anymore it's enough already.
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1368. lawntonlookers
1:48 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Good morning everyone. Finaly some peace and quite in the tropics.
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1367. Cotillion
1:47 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Enola:

Well, the polite way to say it is..."Same stuff, different day." lol


Ah ha. Thanks for clarifying, somehow I didn't see that. Coffee levels low, perhaps...
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1366. Enola
1:45 PM GMT on September 15, 2008
Quoting Cotillion:


SSDD...?

Well, the polite way to say it is..."Same stuff, different day." lol
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