DEBATE ON GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Fshhead , 6:19 AM GMT on February 22, 2007

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This is my continuing blog on global warming. If you are new visitor, please look at last couple of blog entrys also on global warming!!!!







"There are so many arguments proving & disputing global warming that people can't seem to agree completly on it. But for all the preperations that we make for hurricanes & other disasters, what do we have to lose if we prepare for global warming as if the worst might come true?
The answer is pure common sense. We should try to eliminate the variables that cause global warming instead of just arguing about it. It's like a hurricane- if we prepare for the worst, it can only save lives & money. If it does not come, no one will have been hurt & we may even have a healthier Earth."


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1798. Fshhead
7:55 PM GMT on July 01, 2007
Really good article on Greenland melting much faster than scientists thought. Here's a couple of statements from it. I HAD to put in the last one cause I know someone would come along read that & then wonder why I did not put the quote that he said he is not suggesting chaos there tomorrow BUT, LONG TERM affects have been put into motion!!!!!

"The measurements of melting on the Greenland ice sheet in the past few years are shaking glaciologists to the core," said Charles Bentley, emeritus professor of geophysics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who's been studying glaciers in Greenland since 1954.

Using satellite radar measurements, scientists calculate that Greenland lost 54 cubic miles of ice in 2005, compared with 22 cubic miles in 1996.
"Some of the changes in the ice we've been seeing in Greenland have an irreversible character to them," said Eric Rignot, principal scientist at NASA'S Jet Propulsion Laboratory, who has measured the Greenland ice sheet with satellites for the past 15 years.

"I'm not suggesting that this will cause mayhem anytime soon, but what we set into motion today is going to be very difficult to slow down or reverse," Rignot said.
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1797. Fshhead
7:06 PM GMT on July 01, 2007
Rock, WELCOME!!!! Yes This is a global warming blog lol I am not real sure what point you are trying to make there?? Also PLEASE try to post in english for us. No offense to you but, I think alot of us here have no idea what that last comment says(or at least me anyways)
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1793. Fshhead
7:10 AM GMT on July 01, 2007
Cal Thanx for stopping by & STL Thanx for the info!!! Man it was getting pretty lonely in here for a few lol
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1791. LowerCal
11:27 AM PDT on June 30, 2007
Hello Fish! Glad to see you keeping the good news flowing. :^)

That was a interesting article on the AIM satellite studying noctilucent clouds. There's lots of ideas on what might cause them but we really don't know. They might be a significant part of the GW equation, they may just be a good indicator or they may be entirely unrelated. AIM is pure research but I'm sure sooner or later something useful will come from the info gained.

As far as the failure to send up a backup for the QUIKSCAT satellite I think that's a there's a sorrowful lack of planning/foresight there. There should be some oversight analysis of cost and benefit and those with the biggest benefit ratio should get first consideration for renewal/support.

Thanks for passing along the great news on increasing renewable energy investment. The report says that it's in spite of the rise and fall of oil prices but I think that the instability is actually another driving factor. I agree this is where the new billionaires will come from (and where the smart old billionaires will go.)
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1790. Fshhead
7:18 AM GMT on June 30, 2007
2006 a boom year for investment in renewable energy
(29 June 2007)

Renewable energy is becoming an increasingly popular commodity to invest in, according to a new trend analysis from UN Environment Programme (UNEP).

Factors such as concerns over climate, high oil prices and government help are listed as some of the top reasons driving capital into renewable energy from $80 billion in 2005 to the record $100 billion in 2006.

Most popularly, investment money is being poured into renewable energy sources
like wind, solar power and biofuels, UNEP said. About a fifth of 2006 investment was in the developing world.

"One of the new and fundamental messages of this report is that renewable energies are no longer subject to the vagaries of rising and falling oil prices," UNEP Executive Director Achim Steiner said.

"They are becoming generating systems of choice for increasing numbers of power companies, communities and countries irrespective of the costs of fossil fuels.

"The other key message is that this is no longer an industry solely dominated by developed country industries. Close to 10 per cent of investments are in China with around a fifth in total in the developing world.

"We will need many sustained steps towards the de-carbonizing of the global economy. It is clear that in respect to renewables those steps are getting underway."

Today renewable energy accounts for only 2% of the electricity around the world, however, the report said. Renewable energy makes up 18% of the world's investment in generating power.

Also spurring the sector's growth has been the persistently high price of oil - averaging more than $60 a barrel in 2006 (although one report conclusion is that the sector is becoming more independent of the price of oil).

"Growing consumer awareness of renewable energy and energy efficiency - and their longer term potential for cheaper energy, and not just greener energy - has become another fundamental driver," it says.

"Most importantly governments and politicians are introducing legislation and support mechanisms to enable the sector's development."

The report forecasts even higher rates of investment in the coming year.

Dana Gornitzki
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Man, I keep saying it. I sure wish I had money to invest! This is where all the new billionares are going to come from.
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1789. Fshhead
7:12 AM GMT on June 30, 2007
Kinda weird don't you think?? They did not replace the satellite that they get the most vital info. from for hurricanes(post-Katrina) that is that is way over it's servicable life but, they sent this AIM satellite up to measure these noctilucent clouds. Hmmmm Like I said the data from AIM is going to be interesting!
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1788. Fshhead
7:11 AM GMT on June 30, 2007
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Hmmmmmm VERY interesting article on noctilucent clouds. This is the first that I have heard of them BUT, they do claim that they have appeared since the 1800's. The possible bad part about it is they say they are becoming more frequent due to rising greenhouse gases.I guess it concerned them enough to launch a new satellite to observe them!! Going to have to keep an eye out for the data it brings in.
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1787. Fshhead
8:31 PM GMT on June 29, 2007
Extreme weather wakes US up to climate change
Source: Copyright 2007, Independent (UK)
Date: June 29, 2007
Byline: Leonard Doyle
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US public opinion is rapidly waking up to the threat posed by global warming, despite the best efforts of the Bush Administration and much of industry to deny the problem.

There has been a double-digit increase in the proportion of Americans who say environmental problems are a major global threat - from 23 per cent to 37 per cent, according to a comprehensive survey published this week by the Pew Centre in Washington.

The environment is increasingly in the news in the US, thanks to violent and unusual weather patterns - mainly floods and severe drought - combined with the rising cost of petrol. The past few days have seen dramatic rainfall across the southern states. More than a foot of rain fell across central Texas and Oklahoma yesterday, with more storms predicted.

Hardly a day passes without a report being issued pointing to new environmental threats. A study released yesterday revealed how much damage Alaska, which is currently experiencing forest fires, would suffer from higher temperatures, melting permafrost, reduced polar ice and increased flooding.

The cost of repairing Alaska's roads, runways and railroads which are being swept away as the permafrost melts is due to leap from $6.1bn (3bn) at present to $40bn, according to the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Alaska.

Despite the growing evidence of the economic cost of climate change on the US, opinion remains polarised. Peter Larsen, the author of the Alaska report, pointed out that while "Alaska is warming more quickly than any other place on the planet right now," his concerns were usually greeted with scepticism.

"On more than one occasion I had people laugh at me on the phone," he said, when he had asked colleagues elsewhere in the US how much climate change is affecting infrastructure.

The Pew survey bears out the fact that concern about the environment is still sharply lower in the US than in any other advanced industrial country, with the exception of the UK. In every other Western European country large majorities view global warming as a serious problem, ranging from 57 per cent in Italy to 70 per cent in Spain.

The survey of some 10,000 people worldwide by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found that public opinion in Great Britain mirrors the US view. In the UK, less than half (45 per cent) say it is very serious while another 37 per cent rate it as a somewhat serious concern.

The survey found that the Chinese are far more likely than Americans to cite environmental problems as a major global danger (70 per cent against 37 per cent).

Worldwide, most people in the surveyed countries agree that the environment is in trouble and most blame the US and, to a much more limited degree, China.

President George Bush refused to sign up to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol and at this month's G8 summit he was the driving force behind the omission of a specific target for reducing carbon emissions in the final climate-change communique. The EU, Canada and Japan had been pushing for a 50 per cent cut in global emissions by 2050.

In 34 of the 37 countries surveyed by Pew, the United States is named by a majority as the country that is "hurting the world's environment the most."

This finger-pointing at the US spills over into a more general Americanism. Majorities in many countries are also deeply opposed to US foreign policy and express distaste for American-style democracy, the survey found. Favourable views of the US tend only to be found in the "New Europe", some parts of Africa and the Far East.
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1786. Fshhead
7:26 PM GMT on June 29, 2007
LOL ahhh Perfect, good one my friend. I would guess that had to be around 2001? LOL
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1785. MisterPerfect
2:43 PM GMT on June 29, 2007

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1784. Lovethetropics
9:44 AM AST on June 29, 2007
Good morning dear Fshhead!! Have a beautiful day!!


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1782. Fshhead
5:45 AM GMT on June 29, 2007
finally a real person, I am getting tired of talking to the walls lol
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1780. thunder1
5:37 AM GMT on June 29, 2007
where are you bro? lol
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1779. thunder1
3:39 AM GMT on June 29, 2007
hey bro, just stopping by to see if you are here. where is everyone? your chatting to yourself,lol
ill stop back in a few hours,
later friend
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1778. Fshhead
7:22 PM GMT on June 28, 2007
Future historians, looking back from a much hotter and less hospitable world . . . will puzzle over how a whole generation could have sleepwalked into disaster -- destroying the climate that has allowed human civilization to flourish over the past 11,000 years.

This comment has always stuck in my mind since the beginning!!!! It could not be put any better than that!
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1777. Fshhead
8:16 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Apocalypse Now
How Mankind Is Sleepwalking to the End of the Earth
by Maria Gilardin
http://www.dissidentvoice.org
September 21, 2005

This headline appeared in the London Independent in early February of 2005, following a conference at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, England, where 200 of the worlds leading scientists issued the most urgent warning to date: that dangerous climate change is taking place today, and not the day after tomorrow.
Floods, storms, and droughts. Melting polar ice, shrinking glaciers, oceans turning to acid.
Scientists from the fields of glaciology, biology, meteorology, oceanography, and ecology reported seeing a dramatic rise over the last 50 years of all the indicators of climate change: increase in average world temperatures, extreme weather events, in the levels of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, and in the level of the oceans.

The award winning environmental writer Geoffrey Lean wrote: Future historians, looking back from a much hotter and less hospitable world . . . will puzzle over how a whole generation could have sleepwalked into disaster -- destroying the climate that has allowed human civilization to flourish over the past 11,000 years.
The overwhelming majority of scientists and international climate monitoring bodies now agree that climate change is taking place, that humans are responsible, and that time is running out. In fact, we could reach the point of no return in a decade, reported Lean. Melting glaciers all across the world include: the Broggi in the Peruvian Andes, Glacier Ururashraju in the Cordillera Blanca of Peru, the Pasterze in Austria, Portage Glacier near Anchorage, Alaska, Mount Hood in Oregon, Mount Kilimanjaro in northeastern Tanzania, the Grinnell Glacier in Glacier National Park, and the Rhone Glacier in Switzerland.

The earth is getting warmer. While average warming is just under 1 degree Celsius worldwide, the Polar Regions show warming of 2 to 3 degrees Celsius, due to feedback effects. With the melt of white snow, that previously reflected some of the heat back into the atmosphere (albedo effect), newly exposed darker surfaces absorb heat, and accelerate melting of more ice and snow.

A world average warming of under 1 degree Celsius may seem small. However, historically, the difference between warm periods and an ice age has been only 5 to 6 degrees Celsius. The transformation from the last ice age to the present climate resulted from a slow rise in temperature, which took 5,000 years to fully complete, allowing life on Earth to adapt to the changes. We could bring about a 5- to 6- degree change in only 150 years if we dont start constraining the use of fossil fuels.


I posted this about a year ago. I really think that it needs to be posted again!!
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1776. Fshhead
7:41 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Cya looking forward to your propoganda err I mean movie lol Thanx for stopping by!
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1774. Fshhead
7:33 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Yes ignorance is what keeps them in control. Once again no offense!
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1772. Fshhead
7:27 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
I am pretty sure I have told you that the oil issue is my concern. The global warming thing just came along & fits perfectly, you know like the glove lol
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1770. Fshhead
7:27 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Now the energy part we can totally agree on!!
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1767. Fshhead
7:23 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Things do change for sure & I PERSONALLY think that we are the ones forcing change this time!
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1765. Fshhead
7:21 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Yea & if it goes back to Greenland, we are going to be on the ark?? Think about that one lol
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1759. Fshhead
7:09 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
K, my turn back to the question on the electric car??? What do you think of?... I am really curious to your answer
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1758. Fshhead
7:07 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
yup, my BIGGEST concern is a huge storm wiping out the refinerys. Yea REAL good place to put them. They also wanted to drill off Fla. Another brainstorm......
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1756. Fshhead
7:03 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
nope dictated by the freakin oil companys lol
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1754. Fshhead
6:58 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
Mmmmmm both cause I will say this even though I DO voice my view, I have not nor will not ever rate someones comments or remove then UNLESS it is obviously a troll type character. Hey I welcome the debate. That IS my intention here. To debate & to raise awareness to the issue!!! Just ask Cruc, we disagree on everything BUT, not once did I remove his comments.
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1751. Fshhead
6:55 AM GMT on June 28, 2007
K so this IS NOT aimed at you ok? lol
It seems to me that most people are blind to the BIG issues facing this country & US as a civilization! Just look at the gas prices. Sure everyone bickers a little but nothing gets done. Has to be a movement & it has to start grass-roots with all of us!
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