Significant rainfall coming Saturday...

By: Zachary Labe , 7:35 PM GMT on October 24, 2008

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"Initial Thoughts on October 25 Rainstorm"
After what is one of the driest Octobers up to this point, may be erased by some relatively moderate to heavy rainfall amounts. This event looks mainly a stratiform scenerio with some embedded convection, some of which could be severe. Rainfall amounts will be very similar across the entire state with the favored rainfall locations in this event being along the favored upsloping locations in the eastern ridges of the Appalachians as southeast winds will drive moisture out of the Atlantic. It appears rainfall totals will still be slight below normal even after this event, but it will bring a rise to area river levels and stream levels. Also some of the local dams are running near low values with Dehart Dam in the Harrisburg area only at 77% capacity, which is the lowest it has been for nearly a year. Areas across northern Pennsylvania, which are in a slight drought will be greatly benifited by this event. Even taking a look at nowcast radars, this is quite a bit of available moisture for some nice steady rains. This system will be followed by a main cold front that will move through Saturday night, but will only be followed by a wind shift. Another cold front boundary will move through late Sunday, which will bring the coldest air of the season, which will spark lake effect and orographic snow showers. Later in the week there are coastal storm speculations followed by a gradual warming trend. Good news for some is that warmer air is likely to welcome November, and could last for a week. But latest models and EURO weeklies are bringing in a major trough for the second week of November. Do not be fooled by the warmth in the beginning of the month. In any case enjoy the nice rainfall this weekend. Have a great day!!!

"Current Weather Setup"
Looking across the Northeast we have a departing high pressure system moving north then northeast off the New England coastline ahead of a pattern changer type cold front. The push of cooler air though will not quite be felt along the front, but until a day later. Low pressure has formed along the cold front and is creating a large mass of heavy rain along the front currently moving up through the Ohio Valley. Meanwhile moisture continues to stream out of the Gulf of Mexico with heavy rainfall in the southeast. Nearly 2inches of rain has fallen in Atlanta today (Friday). These areas of rainfall will somewhat merge according to latest simulated rainfalls and should make for a shield of generally stratiform heavy rain. While ahead of the front rising heights to nearly 10C bring a slug of warm, moist air northward possible sparking a band of low-topped severe thunderstorms across parts of central and eastern Pennsylvania, which may have some damaging winds gusts to near 60mph across the higher elevations. The band of rainfall will be across the region for much of the day Saturday before departing to the north and east Saturday night. Highs on Saturday will be near 60degrees across many areas, with dewpoints in the 50s. Cloud cover will be present over the entire region during most if not all of the day. After the frontal passage winds will gust to near 35mph in the valleys and upwards of 40mph in the higher elevations especially in the Laurel Highlands. The cold air though follows behind for Sunday night. See sections below for more detailed explainations.

"Regional Radar"

(Courtesy of NOAA)

"Regional Satellite"

(Courtesy of Penn State Meteo.)

"Regional Advisories"

(Courtesy of NOAA)

"Forecast Discussion"
A somewhat complex scenerio develops for some of the layers of the atmosphere during the rains this weekend making for some possible interesting weather conditions. As the front approaches winds will shift to the southeast drawing in some higher dewpoints and PWATS to near 1.5inches which is a few deviations above normal. The low level jet kicks in later Friday night bringing in the heavy rain and very high shear values. Winds aloft in the boundary to 6k ft aloft are in the 80knot range. Winds even higher up with the approach of the mid level jet is nearly 110knots. The trough moves in with a positive tilt before transitiong to a potential negative tilt through the week. Rising heights to near 9-11C in the 850s will lead to an unstable mid level boundary. CAPE values from 0-3K ft range are near 50 j/kg, but in the boundary layer they are nearly non existant for CAPE values. More so there is near -100CIN along the surface. As the front further moves across the state the stratiform rainband may gain some convective energy and create a low-topped squall line capable of tapping into the strong winds aloft and bringing them down to the surface. I was looking at some case studies for this scenerio and I found a few similarities with the November 16, 2006 event Link. It appears though that the heavy rain is the primary threat. It appears that by afternoon most of the activity will be over for western Pennsylvania, and by evening most of the rain should be out of the region. See sections below for my forecasts for rain, wind, and severe weather.

"Current Water Vapor Loop"

(Courtesy of Penn State Meteo.)

"Rainfall Forecast"
I was debating on issuing a rainfall map, but I decided it would just be easier to say a widespread 1-2inches of rain looks likely. High pressure will move out of the region and dewpoints will continue to increase through the rest of this Friday keeping virga at a minimum. Rainfall will fall mostly moderate, but some heavier bursts can be expected. Rainfall rates though should generally not exceed 1.5inches per hour for any period of time. An embedded squall line though could cause some isolated higher amounts. But overall it looks like a nice soaking. No flood worries are expected with flash flood guidance nearly 5inches for a 24hour event. Only some rises on creeks and streams is to be expected.

"12hr Estimated Precipitation"

(Courtesy of NOAA)

"HPC Forecast 5-day total QPF map"

(Courtesy of HPC)

DAY 1...

UPR OH VALLEY/CNTRL APPALACHIANS/MID ATLANTIC...

OVERALL THERE IS GOOD AGRMNT WITH THE CONTINUED ENEWD PUSH OF THE
ONGOING MDT TO HVY PCPN EVENT INTO THE UPR OH VALLEY/CNTRL
APPALACHIANS/MID ATL REGION DAY 1. THE PCPN DISTRIBUTION IS
EXPECTED TO REMAIN SIMILAR TO THE ONGOING DISTRIBUTION WITH A SRN
MAX MOVG NEWD FROM THE COASTAL SE INTO THE COASTAL SRN MID
ATL...IN THE REGION OF STRONG SELY LOW LEVEL INFLOW OFF THE
GULF...WHILE A SECOND AXIS REMAINS ALONG THE SFC FRONT/TROF
PUSHING EWD FROM THE UPR OH VALLEY INTO THE MID ATL. WITH RESPECT
TO THE SRN MAX...THE NAM IS AN OUTLIER IN BEING SLOWER WITH THE
SFC WAVE MOVG NEWD ACRS THE SOUTHEAST AND COASTAL SRN MID ATL FRI
NIGHT/EARLY SAT. AS PER THE PMDHMD...THE NAM MAY BE INITIALED TOO
FAR TO THE WSW. AT THE MOMENT...WE ARE FAVORING THE GFS TYPE OF
SOLN IN BEING FASTER WITH THE SFC WAVE AND THE NEWD PUSH OF MDT TO
HVY PCPN ALONG THE SRN MID ATL COAST.

WITH TIME...PW VALUES ALONG THE AFOREMENTIONED FRONT MOVG EWD FROM
THE UPR OH VALLEY ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE...WITH VALUES 1-2 STD
ABOVE THE MEAN. THIS ALONG WITH FAVORABLE UPR DYNAMICS TO THE
EAST OF THE EJECTING MID WEST CLOSED LOW AND WELL DEFINED BNDRY
LAYER CONVERGENCE SHOULD INCREASE PCPN AMT POTENTIAL OVR THE UPR
OH VALLEY EWD INTO THE CNTRL APPALACHIANS AND MID ATL STATES FROM
POINTS UPSTREAM. AREAL AVG PCPN AMTS OF 1-1.5" DEPICTED...WITH
POTENTIAL FOR ISOLATED HEAVIER TOTALS IN WHAT WILL LIKELY BE A
WELL DEFINED AREA OF PCPN AHEAD OF THIS FRONT. AT THE MOMENT...WE
DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WL BE WIDESPREAD RUNOFF PROBLEMS ACRS THESE
AREAS GIVEN PROGRESSIVE NATURE OF THE FRONT AND RELATIVELY HIGH
FFG VALUES.

"Severe Weather Forecast"
I talked about the severe weather indices in many other discussions in this blog, so I will not be redundant and not mention it again. With meager instability at the surface, but some unstable air aloft I do expect a weak to possible strong line of embedded thunderstorms. In situations like this there may not even be thunder. Within this band of heavy rain will be a line of gusty winds gusting to 60mph on a few isolated mountaintop locations mainly across the ridge and valley region. Elsewhere winds will gust generally to 30mph. If enough instability develops, which is not likely, an isolated weak tornado cannot be ruled out. Stay tuned for more updates throughout the day Saturday.

"Severe Weather Outlooks from Storm Prediction Center Days 1, 2, and 3"

(Courtesy of NOAA)

...CAROLINAS/MID ATLANTIC STATES TO SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND...
HIGHLY DYNAMIC SCENARIO FOR THE EASTERN SEABOARD ON SUNDAY WITH
NORTHEAST DEVELOPMENT OF STRONG JET ALOFT COINCIDENT WITH
OPENING/INCREASINGLY PROGRESSIVE GREAT LAKES UPPER LOW. AIDED BY A
STRONG SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL JET /40-70 KT/...A RELATIVELY
MOISTURE-RICH AIRMASS WILL QUICKLY DEVELOP NORTHWARD DURING THE DAY
ON SATURDAY...WITH UPPER 60S F DEWPOINTS ACROSS EASTERN NC...AND
AROUND 60 F DEWPOINTS DEVELOPING AS FAR NORTH AS THE DELMARVA/NJ
AREAS. HOWEVER...CONSIDERABLE CLOUD COVER AND POTENTIAL FOR EARLY
DAY PRECIPITATION WILL TEND TO HINDER AGGRESSIVE SURFACE-BASED
DESTABILIZATION...ESPECIALLY NORTH OF THE DELMARVA VICINITY.

MLCAPE VALUES WILL BE GENERALLY BE LIMITED TO 500 J/KG OR LESS IN
MOST LOCALES...ALTHOUGH STRONGER INSTABILITY COULD MATERIALIZE
ACROSS EASTERN NC/FAR SOUTHEAST VA WHERE MLCAPE MAY EXCEED 1000 J/KG
SATURDAY AFTERNOON. IN SPITE OF MODEST INSTABILITY...FAVORABLE
KINEMATICS/STRONGLY FORCED SCENARIO WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A DIURNAL
UPSWING IN TSTM INTENSITY THROUGH THE AFTERNOON...WITH VERY
STRONG/VEERING DEEP LAYER TROPOSPHERIC FLOW AND 250-400 M2/S2 0-1KM
SRH SUPPORTIVE OF SUPERCELLS AND BOWING SEGMENTS/LEWPS ACROSS THE
MID ATLANTIC REGION. AS SUCH...DISTINCT POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGING
WINDS AND PERHAPS SOME TORNADOES WILL EXIST THROUGH SATURDAY
AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING ACROSS THE MID ATLANTIC REGION...WITH SOME
HAIL POSSIBLE AS WELL. SURFACE BASED TSTM POTENTIAL/SEVERE RISK
BECOMES MORE QUESTIONABLE NORTHWARD ACROSS SOUTHERN NEW
ENGLAND...ALTHOUGH A STRONGLY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT AHEAD OF A
SECONDARY/DEEPENING NY-VICINITY SURFACE LOW SUGGESTS AT LEAST A
CONDITIONAL RISK FOR DAMAGING WINDS.

"Computer Model Analysis"
It appears that we have a general consensus for the forecast with the Saturday frontal passage and rain storm. The GFS and EURO are in similar agreement with the storm position, but then diverge on solutions for later in the week. First off I want to take a look at the NMM simulated radar. The radar is shown for midday Saturday.

The model shows a large shield of heavy rain over much of Pennsylvania at this time with areas of embedded thunderstorms. Precipitation amounts are generally near 2inches in eastern Pennsylvania with 1inch in western Pennsylvania. The GFS shows a clear forecast with a slug of moisture over much of Pennsylvania during the day moving at a very slow rate across the state. The NAM also seems to be forecasting an accurate solution with a widespread 1-2inches over much of Pennsylvania. The NAM develops some extreme helicity values well over 600, along with some very high SWEAT values. CAPE remains minimal with extreme low instability. LI index though for the NAM is down to -2 across parts of southcentral Pennsylvani. The shear values according to the NAM are very extreme with a nose 70-80knots sneaking along with the jet as it moves across the state. Keep in mind though this is 6k ft aloft. Surface layer CAPE is litle to non-existant also for the GFS, but 3k ft aloft it does develop some minimal values. Shear values are also similar to NAM from the GFS with nearly 80knots 6k ft aloft. Looking at inhibiting factors for thunderstorms the SREF does develop some -200 CINH across the region, but also does develop some CAPE across the region near 50-100 j/kg. Lastly looking at the 500mb chart from the GFS is a very potent looking disturbance along with the front that will help kick the rain out of the region and move in the colder air.


"Concluding Thoughts (A look at next week)"
O gosh so much to look at for next week as the nearly arctic front moves in for Monday behind the main frontal system, which will bring the push of colder air. Sunday generally should be a very nice day with partly cloudy skies and highs near seasonal values. But Sunday night the front moves through with some light precipitation less than .1 QPF. The front will be accompanied by a nearly 15degree temperature drop along with a wind shift to the West-northwest. Rain showers will change to snow showers with the frontal passage for western Pennsylvania and parts of west central Pennsylvania. The positively titled trough moves into the region with lots of energy and very strong winds aloft.

Once the trough settles over the region, the trough becomes more negatively oriented along with a weak shortwave north of the Great Lakes in Canada. This will fuel instability and orographic lift snowshowers along with some possibly hefty lake effect snow values. Omego values are quite high along with decent ice crystal growth. Temperature contrasts between the lakes and surface air turns to nearly 30-40degrees, which could develop some extreme instability. With a surface wind from the northwest nearly 30-40mph and winds aloft over 50knots the pull of the lake effect snow showers will be quite widespread and favored upslope locations will mostly likely see accumulations. Isotherms are nearly -8C during parts of the week with surface temperatures below freezing at night and in the mid to upper 30s during the day. I will have much more on this Sunday with a new blog, where yes I may even have to issue a snow map (first one of the year). This will be a very wet snow, which may cause power outages and tree damage in some favored snow belt regions. At this point I would say accumulations will likely be confined to elevations about 1800ft, but that could change. Snow showers still though will occur in the valleys at night. Later in the week models diverge on solutions with a coastal storm with the GFS developing it offshore, but the EURO bringing it into New England with a major interior wet snowstorm, especially for Upstate NY. UKMET has similar solution also to EURO. Stay tuned for many more updates throughout the coming week. By the end of the week high pressure moves in with just dry and chilly air as the trough slowly departs.

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43. Zachary Labe
6:51 PM GMT on October 26, 2008
TheDawnAwakening- That is good to hear. I heard of some pretty heft damage reports of wind, especially in Connecticut.

seflagamma- Good afternoon!!! Thanks for stopping by. Chilly weather up this way.


***New blog coming within a hour. New winter format will also debut.
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42. seflagamma
4:51 PM GMT on October 26, 2008
Hi bliz,
haven't stopped by in a while.. so wanted to pop in and say Happy Sunday to you.. have a great day!!!!
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41. TheDawnAwakening
3:50 PM GMT on October 26, 2008
Leaves are down now, but trees are fine and power is on. I will have to check NOAA to see if any appreciable winds were present this morning. Also the Tuesday/Wednesday storm is getting better on the models I hear.
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40. Zachary Labe
12:42 PM GMT on October 26, 2008
JDinWPA- Ah yes, that was the date I was trying to think of earlier. I am very surprised you did not feel that. There have been a series of tremors down in York County last week of like magnitude 2s and locals down there have felt it.

upweatherdog- Yep it was a nice dosing of rain and brought the monthly total up to 1.64inches of rain, which is below normal.

TheDawnAwakening- I heard that the winds were pretty rough in New England. How bad did they get last night?
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39. TheDawnAwakening
3:50 AM GMT on October 26, 2008
... High Wind Warning in effect until 5 am EDT Sunday...

The National Weather Service in Taunton has issued a High Wind
Warning... which is in effect until 5 am EDT Sunday. The Wind
Advisory is no longer in effect.

Southeast winds will become southerly at 30 to 35 mph with gusts
between 50 and 60 mph for a 2 to 4 hour period tonight across Rhode
Island and all of southeast Massachusetts... including the cape and
islands. The strongest winds will reach the Boston and Providence
Metro areas around or shortly after midnight... and the cape and
islands around 3 or 4 am. Winds will be strong enough to down
numerous trees and power lines. The highest gusts will occur across
exposed coastal areas and the higher terrain. The strong winds will
also affect travel of high profile vehicles.

Additionally there could be an embedded thunderstorm.

A High Wind Warning is issued when sustained winds of 40 mph are
expected for at least an hour... with gusts of 58 mph or greater at
any time. Damage to trees... power lines... and property are possible
with wind of this magnitude. Power outages are likely. Take action
now to secure any loose outdoor objects.
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38. upweatherdog
2:21 AM GMT on October 26, 2008
Your area got quite a bit of rain. The northern Great Lakes have a moderate to severe drought. Hopefuly the U.P gets some rain like that.
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37. JDinWPA
1:54 AM GMT on October 26, 2008
Hi Bliz. The last 'big' earthquake I remember was in 98. (link) There was a decent amount of to-do about it because it effected a large number of wells further north of Butler County resulting in a large business for well drillers. The strange thing was I never felt it and I was in Butler that day. I kind of hope that where I was just standing on a very stable block of ground and not that I'm so oblivious. lol.
36. Zachary Labe
12:04 AM GMT on October 26, 2008
***New blog coming tomorrow. It will be in a new format and will be my standard winter format for forecasts during the week. My winter format for winter storms will be posted during the first major storm. 1.59inches of rain final total here.
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35. Zachary Labe
8:35 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
***1.41inches of rain here with now wind shift to northwest and falling temperatures. 5degree drop in last 30minutes. Seems my verificitation for my forecast seems that this goes down as excellent. It appears most everyone will see in the 1-2inch range. The only area that will see less than that will be around Philadelphia with near .5inches for a storm total.
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34. Zachary Labe
6:09 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
weathergeek5- Winds a bit breezy too here out of the southeast. Rainfall is still falling very heavy with .91inches of rain.
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33. weathergeek5
6:05 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
winds are out of the southeast gusting with sporadic rain showers
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32. Zachary Labe
5:41 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
wxgeek723- Congrats, lol. 4206 commments here. Rain is really coming down heavy here with about .71inches currently.
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31. wxgeek723
4:59 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
This is my 100th comment! Lol.

Much warmer this morning than it was last, though wetter. There's been intermittent showers since I woke up. Now, it would appear the sun is trying to shine through, which is kinda bad news. Haven't heard anything new on the Pine Barren blazes yet.
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30. Zachary Labe
2:21 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
TheDawnAwakening- Pretty interesting. No one ever would think of the Northeast associated with earthquakes but it is possible. There was a pretty strong earthquake I believe out towards Pittsburgh a while ago, not sure of the date.

shoreacres- I am sure it is a strange sensation going through an earthquake. That recent one out in California was quite interesting to watch some of the cameras as the quake occured. There seems to always be activity along every fault line all the time. Studying earthquakes is a very little known about science. They say meteorology is an inexact science, but earthquakes is even more so. Thanks for stopping by!

JDinWPA- 54degrees here this morning with only .17inches of rain. The heaviest rain though has yet to move in and is mainly over your region. Thanks for your report!
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29. JDinWPA
1:42 PM GMT on October 25, 2008
Good morning Bliz. This morning we're sitting at a balmy 49 degrees. .82" of rain has fallen since last evening bringing the mtd to 2.03". All in all, it's been a really deary morning so far.
28. shoreacres
2:51 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Hi, Blizzard,

Look at this chart of recent New Madrid activity. Amazing!
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27. TheDawnAwakening
2:27 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Talk to you tomorrow.
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26. TheDawnAwakening
2:25 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Thank you for responding shoreacres. I appreciate it.
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25. shoreacres
2:24 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Dawn,

Oh, cool. Well, that 5.0 explains why we felt it so strongly. We weren't that far away.
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24. TheDawnAwakening
2:24 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Blizzard the NY quake was positioned in Au Sable, NY of 5.1 magnitude. Roughly 12 miles to the SSW of Plattsburg back in April of 2002. Many times the quakes in the Northeastern part of the US are not assigned to faults because they don't create surface rupture. They do exist in the NE though. Sorry the 1968 earthquake was a magnitude 5.4 not a 5.0.
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23. shoreacres
2:23 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
DawnAwakening ~

Oh, shoot. I can't remember feeling anything except "Now, what is this all about?" When you live in Iowa, earthquakes are about the last thing on your mind. And of course, that was 40 years ago! LOL!

Now, when I lived in Berkeley, I was in several. Most were just litle "earthshivers", but one was a goodie - a nice, long, rolling one where I actually saw a tile floor ripple. THAT was way cool! I suppose it might have been a minute, actually.

I was gone before Northridge and those big ones, so that's one experience I haven't had.
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22. TheDawnAwakening
2:18 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Shoreacres, the USGS has the 1968 quake centered in Illinois and was felt all the way to Boston, MA and west towards Kansas and as far south as Georgia. It was a magnitude 5.0
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21. TheDawnAwakening
2:16 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
shoreacres, was it scary? Please tell me what the emotions were during that half minute?

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20. shoreacres
2:13 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Blizzard ~

I actually experienced an earthquake on the New Madrid fault in... hmmm... 1968, I believe.
I lived in a small town outside of Waterloo/Cedar Rapids, Iowa. To tell the truth, I can't remember the name of the town. I wasn't there very long. The epicenter (as I recall) was south of the Iowa/MO line. Had to be at least a 3-4, I suppose, for us to feel it.

But I remember the quake. It was strong enough to rattle glassware down a shelf, and tip over light things like brooms onto the floor. I remember it as being perhaps a half minute - pretty long, actually. The ones I experienced in CA were never that long - although they were sharper.

Never thought I'd see the New Madrid faultline a topic of discussion. But it's there, and people in the area know it's there!

I see that JD is getting the rain now. I wish we could have some. If you have any extra, please send it along!
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19. TheDawnAwakening
2:07 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Thanks Blizzard, good advice as always. The USGS has the Plattsburg, NY earthquake as an aftershock of only 3.6 magnitude back on May 25th, 2002.
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18. Zachary Labe
1:56 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
TheDawnAwakening- The New Madrid Fault is the one that runs by the central US right? I think there was a it could be happen tomorrow show on the weather channel concerning this. I would check out the USGS website for the most accurate information instead of wikipedia. When looking for quick answers wikipedia is great, but for research never us it. Here is a link to USGS website home... Link.
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17. TheDawnAwakening
1:48 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
Yeah I'm thinking that what if such an event that the North American plate moved significantly causing all of these events to occur at once, then our climate or atmosphere would be in such an overload that change would have no choice but to turn abruptly. That could cause the end of the world. Wow now that is something that would cause a panic, so I won't go that far, now that would be Science fiction. Blizzard, did you read my new blog entry. I think its fascinating and very serious situation that could happen tomorrow.
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16. Zachary Labe
1:40 AM GMT on October 25, 2008
TheDawnAwakening- Interesting. Within your book you may not even want to use a 9.0 magnitude. You could use lets say a 7.5 magnitude which is very significant to say the least. It almost makes it more of a feasible solution.
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15. TheDawnAwakening
10:28 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
I've been reading articles on the Caribbean major earthquake threat and it appears that the Caribbean Sea would have less of a threat of a 9.0 magnitude quake then say the Cascadia subduction zone, simply due to their sizes.
The Cascadia subduction zone is roughly 680 miles long while the Puerto Rico Trench is roughly 544 miles. However I would think if the Hispaniola and Puerto Rico Trenches are connected that would account for the length problem, however what I believe is the case is that they are separate from one another. I'm not completely sure on this though. I will check.
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14. Zachary Labe
10:12 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
hurigo- Last year was the year of the ice storms in my area. We had probably the worst ice storm in decades during December last year knocking out thousands of people without power for up to a week. Thousands of trees fell alone in my county. From the looks of it the southeast ridge is weaker this year, and it last year was responsible for the ice. But still it may affect your region.
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13. hurigo
10:09 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
Blizz,
That's why I want you to send me snow. The ice storms are horrible! They have been more frequent last few years and I did not think of it till you mentioned it.
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12. Zachary Labe
10:01 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
TheDawnAwakening- I'll stop by.

hurigo- Interesting. How about ice storms down there or is that more in the central part of the region? I always seem to be hearing about North Carolina ice storms mixed with freezing rain about a bit of snow.
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11. hurigo
9:59 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
Blizz, for many years our snow fall was quite predictable. Near the NC/VA border coast, it would snow every year, just one day in late February. It would be warm the day before and warm the day after. However, in more recent years that pattern has not held and there has been more frequent snowfall. There used to be a saying down this way that if the circus was in town we would have snow. That's because there was one year when circus goers were stranded due to a blizzard. The circus always runs through in late February.
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10. TheDawnAwakening
9:57 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
What do you think of my blog?
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9. Zachary Labe
9:53 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
hurigo- Good evening!!! I do not know much about your area during the winter, so it will be interesting for me to monitor it. When do you average your first flakes? And how much do you average in a year?
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8. hurigo
9:51 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
Hello Blizz,
So when you gonna send me some snow?
Maybe by Thanksgiving?
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7. Zachary Labe
9:41 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
wxgeek723- I do not think that low of 50 is possible. To have frost the surface temperature is always about 38degrees or colder and there must be calm winds for the dewpoint to form.
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6. wxgeek723
9:34 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
Yeah, when I walked to school I could even smell some of the faint smoke. It was kinda like something you'd smell around Christmas, like chimney smoke.

More frost on the ground when I woke up today. Surprisingly, the low was 50F, though it felt like 35 out. Must have been the wind chill.
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5. Zachary Labe
8:42 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
TheDawnAwakening- I would say there is a pretty good chance of convection, but the problem is the southeast wind. A southeast wind should really kill your chances of severe weather as it brings a marine airmass keeping your rainfall generally stratiform. For the week storm I am sort of liking the EURO scenerio. It seems to make sense, but the trough has to transition to negative if the coastal storm wants to stay near the coast. If that transition happens to late then the storms heads out to sea like the GFS. The DGEX model, which is an extended version of the NAM did have a similar solution to the EURO earlier in the week, but that has since changed to a eastward shift. The UKMET also has a similar solution to the EURO.

WxWyz- Thanks. It is nice to get some rain after only .03inches of rain this month all falling on October 1.

wxgeek723- Yep Saturday is a washout. I heard about the forest fires. Even the other day I heard you could point out the forest fires on the afternoon satellite picture.

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4. WxWyz
8:34 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
Enjoy your wet weather!
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3. TheDawnAwakening
8:31 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
Fires?

Next week's storm is there in full force on the 12z EURO run today. For those of us that want a big storm the good news is that the EURO has it, the bad news is that the GFS and NAM have a very weak and out to sea storm. If the EURO is right in positioning and this storm bombs out with all of the upper level support over water like that then this weekend's winds will look miniscule.
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2. wxgeek723
8:23 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
That sucks. A neighboring town of mine is having a Band Day celebration. I was going to sign up but...I didn't. And it doesn't look like there will be a Band Day this Saturday. We do need a good deluge though, especially for the fires in the Jersey Pine Barrens.
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1. TheDawnAwakening
8:16 PM GMT on October 24, 2008
What would you say the chances are for thunderstorms here on Cape Cod, MA? I'd day 5% chance for something damaging.
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