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North American Mesoscale Model Verification on January 26-27...
Posted by: Zachary Labe, 10:34 PM GMT on January 29, 2011 +5
The North American Mesoscale Model (NAM) is a high resolution model courtesy of the National Center for Environmental Prediction. Another very common and referenced name for the model is the Weather Research and Forecasting Model (WRF). They are the same model and run out to 84 hours. The purpose of the model is to run a higher resolution determining mesoscale features that often cannot be picked up by the global models due to their larger scale. The NAM can be run on an 80km resolution with a broad view of the United States, or 40km which allows the viewer to zoom in on a localized region to put up on mesoscale features. Also a very high resolution form of the NAM exists using a 12km parametric and can zoom into different states. The model is released four times a day at 0z, 6z, 12z, and 18z. Keep in mind that time is zulu or more commonly known as greenwich mean time.

Computer models are critical to forecasting the weather as they use parametric and other mathematical equations to derive the current and predicted state of the atmosphere using a physical and chemical explanation as the background for the predictions. The NCEP is associated with the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to be the developer of these computer models. Each meteorological organization worlwide uses their own developed computer models to serve as a basis for the forecasts. Without computer models, we are not able to derive predictions on the weather greater than 24 hours out.

Like all computer models, the NAM shows all layers of the atmosphere in maps determining positioning and speed of the jet stream, surface precipitation amounts (quantitive precipitation forecast QPF), temperatures throughout the entire core of the atmosphere, convective indices, simulated radars, etc. Due to the higher resolution of the NAM, several problems do exist. It often produces convective elements in many middle latitude cyclones and these are known as convective feedback problems. This is where it developed these unstable regions and often associates them as surface lows causing the surface depiction to be distorted. This was a problem in the recent prediction of the January 26-27 winter storm and will be noted below. Also the NAM has a tendency to produce higher than normal precipitation amounts. I typically find myself cutting totals nearly by 30% as shown on the NAM. Finally the NAM has a bias to overamplify a low pressure and close them off to early particularily on eastern United States cyclogenesis off the coast.

The January 26-27 winter storm featured many model headaches do to some interesting variables. Early on it appeared likely for a low pressure to track up inland along the coastal plain. There was a lacking 50/50 low, unfavorable position of the western trough axis, neutral NAO, natural baroclinicity along the coastline, and stale antecedent cold air mass. This would produce rain along I-95 with heavy snows inland. The 500mb synoptic pattern showed very strong signals for this time of setup with most computer model guidance also in support. The GGEM and ECMWF led the pack with the heavy snows from I-81 on westward. The GFS suffered major problems with varying solutions for each run. But then the computer models began to delay the storm. In fact it was delayed nearly 48-60 hours from the original starting time. This caused a different scenario to unfold. The lacking high pressure to the north was still a problem as the anticyclone zoomed east-northeast, but now a high pressure and associated shortwave out ahead of it allowed sunk east-southeast across the Midwest and western Great Lakes. This acted as a 'kicker' helping to push the cyclonegenesis farther off the coast. This in turn allowed for a colder scenario along with precipitation to occur farther east. Therefore a turn of events allowed for a major I-95 snowstorm with 6in+ totals from Washington DC to Boston. This was very fortunate for snow lovers in that corridor due to pure luck given the poor synoptic setup.

Given the NAM's high resolution, it often overanalyzes prognostics post hour 60. It tends to enhance QPF, overamplify lows, and pick up on mesoscale features that really do not exist. Therefore I typically throw out hours 60-84. It would be a rare event where you would find the NAM 84 hour verifying anywhere close to accurate. But in the near term range, the NAM does an excellent job locating temperature thermals, QPF ranges, and picking up on mesoscale features; coastal fronts, enhanced convection, deformation bands, etc. But in this recent storm, it suffered a plethora of problems and even the 6 and 12 hour surface maps had poor verification especially in the QPF department.

Let us first look at the actual accumulated precipitation totals for the storm.

Given this is a 24 hour accumulated precipitation amount, about .01-.1in of additional precipitation fell south of the Mason-Dixon line in the previous 24 hours.

Here are the preceeding NAM total QPF forecasts...


(January 24; 18z) (January 25; 6z)


(January 25; 12z) (January 25; 18z)


(January 26; 0z) (January 26; 6z)

As you can see, the NAM had a lot of variance with the northwestern sharp precipitation gradients. These tight gradients this year have been caused by the rapid intensification of the coastal lows allowing the heaviest moisture to be confined closer to the center of circulation. Also in this instance, a very cold and dry air mass along with associated cold front was quickly advancing southeast across the Great Lakes and was even picked up on by the 700mb RH charts. This allowed the flow out of the northwest to dry up some moisture for areas more inland.

The NAM simulated radar vs. the forecast QPF did not match up. Often the NAM simulated radar showed the heavier mesoscale bands lining up in northern Maryland and southern Pennsylvania where as it only showed total QPF to be .25in-.5in. In fact looking at total verification, the NAM did very well for its simulated radar.


(Actual NEXRAD National Radar) (6z NAM January 26 Simulated Radar)

The NAM did seem to have a hold on the 500mb map showing the negatively tilted trough producing the coastal low along with the placement of the upper level low and associated shortwave kicker just to the west.


(18z NAM January 24; 500mb) (0z NAM January 26; 500mb)

In general the differences in the 500mb maps were very subtle with just a general strengthening in the closed 500mb low, which verified a tad north of the January 24 18z model run.

The NAM did a very excellent job in identifying mesoscale band using the UUV/700mb RH charts.

(6z NAM January 26; 700mb)

It indentifed the enhanced snow growth over southeastern Pennsylvania up through New Jersey and New York City. The problems with the NAM generally existed in the QPF fields. The model likely suffered a very convective feedback issues in QPF totals. This is why it is important to note other maps than surface maps to help locate the heaviest precipitation. The 700mb map screamed that snow totals would be farther inland with the enhanced deformation band and UUV rates. In general the high resolution models handled this the best with the HRR scoring an amazing victory for QPF along with the ECMWF. The GFS/NAM did a very poor job for QPF, but as noted above QPF does not always tell the story. Sometimes it is important to note other layers of the atmosphere to help make a forecast. This point is why many forecasters missed the boat. Many forecasters (especially broadcoast meteorologists) are drawn to the easy to understand QPF/surface maps, but one has to look at all layers of the atmosphere to make a prediction.

Lower Susquehanna Valley Doppler...

(Courtesy of WGAL)

"Here northeast of Harrisburg 2010-2011 winter statistics"
(Snow Stats)
Current Snow Cover- 0-3in
Monthly Total (November)- Trace
Monthly Total (December)- 0.6in
Monthly Total (January)- 18.90in
Monthly Total (February)- 1.35in
Seasonal Total- 20.85in
Winter Weather Advisories- 7
Winter Storm Warnings- 2
Ice Storm Warnings- 0
Blizzard Warnings- 0
Freezing Rain Advisories- 1
Winter Storm Watches- 2

(Temperature Stats)
Lowest High Temperature- 23.7F
Lowest Low Temperature- -1.7F
Wind Chill Advisories- 0
Wind Chill Warnings- 0

(Snow Storms Stats)
First accumulating snow - December 10 - 0.50in of snow
Clipper light snow - January 7-8 - 2.25in then another 1in of snow
Double Barrel Low - January 11 - 4.5in of snow
Coastal Low - January 17-17 - 1.8in of snow/sleet
Arctic Front - January 20-21 - 2.1in of snow
Upper level/coastal low - January 26 - 5.75in of snow
Two clippers - January 28-29 - 1.5in of snow
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101. danielb1023 9:32 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
18z NAM = crippling ice storm along Pennsylvania turnpike


What about jersey? Says the high is 32 but rain on Wednesday. Seems like west of i95 may stay below freezing. Thoughts?
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102. DM125 9:33 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



So much of PA is still in for the heavy snow?
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103. PengSnow 9:45 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
based off last weeks storm, I would stick with the 18z from yesterday which would bring the storm south, this is not scientific but just based on how the models are behaving...Any thoughts or proof?
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104. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:46 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
18Z NAM UPDATE
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105. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:48 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
18Z NAM PRECIP UPDATE
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106. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:51 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
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remember black line is freeze line north of it snow and ice south of it rain
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107. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:55 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
we are under a special statement now

Special weather statement issued for..
City of Toronto
Windsor - Essex - Chatham-Kent
Sarnia - Lambton
Elgin
London - Middlesex
Simcoe - Delhi - Norfolk
Dunnville - Caledonia - Haldimand
Oxford - Brant
Niagara
City of Hamilton
Halton - Peel
York - Durham
Huron - Perth
Waterloo - Wellington
Dufferin - Innisfil
Barrie - Orillia - Midland
Belleville - Quinte - Northumberland
Kingston - Prince Edward
Peterborough - Kawartha Lakes
Stirling - Tweed - South Frontenac
Brockville - Leeds and Grenville.

..Threat for Major snowstorm Tuesday night and Wednesday..

A low pressure system is forecast to develop over Texas on Monday and
then track northeastward to pass just south of the lower lakes as a
major winter storm Wednesday.

Meanwhile periods of light snow are expected to develop over many
regions Monday night or Tuesday. A lake effect snow band could also
affect areas near the west end of Lake Ontario Tuesday morning.

The heavy snow associated with the major storm will overspread the
region Tuesday night then taper off Wednesday afternoon.
Potential widespread snowfall amounts will be in the order of 20 to
30 cm with local higher accumulations as well as blowing and drifting
snow.

Listen for further statements watches and warnings.

END/OSPC
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108. pittsburghnurse 9:57 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Winter Storm Watch for the Pittsburgh region. Expecting 0.25 to .50 inches of ice, then 1-3" of snow, then all rain from tomorrow evening through late Tues night.

Rats! What a royal dangerous mess.
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109. PengSnow 10:04 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Pghnurse just a heads up, my friend told me accu has Pgh and 25 miles south under snow and ice for the duration of the storm...KOTG---looking at the nam pulls the freezing line would be way north in Pennsylvania, how is accu making that call for this???Blizz how do you now that the turnpike area is straight frzing rain, am I missing something? THX for the input!!!
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110. originalLT 10:36 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Yeah, Matlack, the timing is abit confusing, I know what you are saying. THis last run, on the GFS anyway keeps me nearer to the freezing line could be quite a mess on WED. and on the NAM precip map that Keeper posted and on the Precip. potential map,(post #93), that puts me in an area for possible heavy snow. I think we really won't know till Monday, like Blizz was saying all along.
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111. originalLT 10:40 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Looking at post # 93 closer though, I see it was initiated 2 days ago, -Jan. 28th. Keeper do you have a more up to date map like that?
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112. ConnecticutWXGuy 10:49 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting originalLT:
Looking at post # 93 closer though, I see it was initiated 2 days ago, -Jan. 28th. Keeper do you have a more up to date map like that?


that must be an error because that is the latest NAM
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113. originalLT 10:54 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Hi Connecticutwxguy, no I'm not questioning the NAM post, post # 93 is a map that was drawn up on Friday the 28th from the NWS, it's their NWS hazzards assessments map, that is the one that is old. Check post's #93 map.
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114. ConnecticutWXGuy 11:02 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting Matlack:
So I must have it backwards. They have the 18Z as the first map then a dropdown to the 12Z run. So is the 18Z I see on the site yesterdays run?


Z means HOURS/TIME in Universal Time, not DAYS. So the later the run the more recent it is. There are 4 runs per day
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115. ConnecticutWXGuy 11:04 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting originalLT:
Hi Connecticutwxguy, no I'm not questioning the NAM post, post # 93 is a map that was drawn up on Friday the 28th from the NWS, it's their NWS hazzards assessments map, that is the one that is old. Check post's #93 map.


sorry yeah I see it now. Actually I think that still looks pretty accurate. I expect the low to end up slightly further south and east than models have recently told us - and such a trend is already indicated in the latest GFS, backed by the NAM - to a colder/further south and east solution. It's last week's storm all over again, except it's doubled in size, twice as slow, and twice as strong.
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116. WalesMass 11:12 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting ConnecticutWXGuy:


sorry yeah I see it now. Actually I think that still looks pretty accurate. I expect the low to end up slightly further south and east than models have recently told us - and such a trend is already indicated in the latest GFS, backed by the NAM - to a colder/further south and east solution. It's last week's storm all over again, except it's doubled in size, twice as slow, and twice as strong.


CtWX: So does this mean you think that we (Central Mass and northern CT) are going to end up with big snow rather than icy mix?
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117. originalLT 11:14 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Hope you are right CTWXGUY, that would make it very interesting for us. You being located about 40 miles NE of me and further inland, should do better than me in any case with this storm. I'll check back in later, off to dinner now LT
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118. PalmyraPunishment 11:16 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Okay, who's going around telling the idiots in Philadelphia they're going to get 36-40 inches of snow?!?!?!
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119. weathergeek5 11:23 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:
Okay, who's going around telling the idiots in Philadelphia they're going to get 36-40 inches of snow?!?!?!



Huh?!?!
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120. TrentonThunder 11:39 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
The 18Z NAM has shifted southeast of its previous 12Z run, primarily over the northeast section of the country.

The 18Z NAM paints an 18"+ bullzeye from extreme northeast PA, southeastern central New York, most of Mass, extreme southern Vermont and New Hampshire and extreme northwestern Connecticut.

12"+ for the northern half of central and northeastern PA, extreme northern New Jersey and eastward off Mass. 12"+ also for the remainder of central New York, the southern half of Vermont & New Hampshire and extreme southern Maine.

Sharp cutoff in central and east central PA and north Jersey. A more relaxed cutoff in northern New England.
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121. TheF1Man 11:40 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Looks like another tough call 2-3 days out like usual
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122. TrentonThunder 11:41 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:
Okay, who's going around telling the idiots in Philadelphia they're going to get 36-40 inches of snow?!?!?!


Yeah, somebody is! People have hit me up on facebook saying they heard 30".
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123. Hoynieva 11:44 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting TrentonThunder:


Yeah, somebody is! People have hit me up on facebook saying they heard 30".


I think there will be some areas receiving at least 2 feet, who knows, maybe even 3, but it certainly won't be Philadelphia.
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124. TrentonThunder 11:50 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Quoting originalLT:
TT just said that everything is trending more NW with every run(post#72) but Matlack just said the 18Z is 200 miles further SE, what gives?


Every model had shifted gradually northwest through 12Z today.

Both the 18Z GFS and 18Z NAM have initiated coastal redevelopment a little earlier and a little farther southwest which is why we're seeing a colder / snowier / icier shift for the Mid-Atlantic / southern New England. GFS has the transfer of energy to the coast between Long Island and Mass, NAM has it between north Jersey and Long Island.
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125. TheF1Man 11:54 PM GMT on January 30, 2011    
Hey LT News Channel 8 put an early prediction of 3-6 inches out for SW CT. Usually they don't even give numbers this early...
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127. NJLuLu 12:09 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
The Panic is on for Jersey Shore once again, hearing tons of ice, power loss with significant accumulation.
I am just a lurker here and so appreciate and admire everyones input.
Will this winter ever end?
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128. breald 12:13 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting TrentonThunder:


Yeah, somebody is! People have hit me up on facebook saying they heard 30".


I don't think anybody on the East coast is getting 30 inches. Maybe Northern New Englan, but the rest of us will be getting a wintry mix which will keep the totals down. Right?
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129. TrentonThunder 12:13 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
As of 5:30pm, NWS has me at...

1am Tue - 2pm Tue: 2.2" Snow, High 34F

3pm Tue - 8am Wed: 0.41" QPF Sleet/Frz RN, Low 29F

9am Wed - 8pm Wed: 0.46" Rain, High 40F

9pm Wed - 11pm Wed: Snow Showers, Low 21F
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130. drj10526 12:13 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
The New York scientific forecast has a pretty good break down. So much better than Albany.

http://www.wunderground.com/DisplayDisc.asp?DiscussionCode=OKX&StateCode=NY&SafeCityName=New_York
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131. TrentonThunder 12:17 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting breald:


I don't think anybody on the East coast is getting 30 inches. Maybe Northern New Englan, but the rest of us will be getting a wintry mix which will keep the totals down. Right?


Still have to keep an eye out for southern New England / New York state / Mid-Atlantic northern tier for big totals. I don't know about 30" this far out, but 18"-24" likely somewhere.
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132. breald 12:20 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
I'm wondering if I should cover my car because of the ice pellets? It sounds like it would be bad for my car's paint job :(
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133. Mason803 12:22 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
winter storm watch for all of central pa
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134. shipweather 12:22 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
where the hell is Blizz? This is a monster storm...
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135. shipweather 12:24 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting Mason803:
winter storm watch for all of central pa


WOW
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136. Hoynieva 12:29 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting breald:


I don't think anybody on the East coast is getting 30 inches. Maybe Northern New Englan, but the rest of us will be getting a wintry mix which will keep the totals down. Right?


I wouldn't rule it out. Midwest is going to get hit hard this time, as is upstate New York and points east. And I also wouldn't say the rest of us are going to get a wintry mix. Some people will have very heavy snow and very little changeover. Others will get all rain and yet others everything in between. This is going to be a messy storm and the rain/snow line looks even harder to decipher than the last one. Not to mention there will be more ice this time...a lot of it.
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137. GTOSnow 12:30 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Our local mets have us slated for 15-20" between Tues and Thurs. No talk of mixing for us in the worcester area, which seems to go against what I am seeing here on the underground. Usually its the other way around.

Glad I got my roof to stop leaking, but it looks like I'll be up there all over again!!
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138. TrentonThunder 12:30 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Just read the NWS Upton discussion, same thing was said last week when the first southeastern shifts occured in guidance and were considered outliers and/or being discounted at the time.
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139. zotty 12:31 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    

Quoting PalmyraPunishment:
Okay, who's going around telling the idiots in Philadelphia they're going to get 36-40 inches of snow?!?!?!
haha, okay, you got me.  who?
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140. TheF1Man 12:35 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting GTOSnow:
Our local mets have us slated for 15-20" between Tues and Thurs. No talk of mixing for us in the worcester area, which seems to go against what I am seeing here on the underground. Usually its the other way around.

Glad I got my roof to stop leaking, but it looks like I'll be up there all over again!!


That's good news for me over in Springfield!
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141. PalmyraPunishment 12:38 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Winter Storm Watch:

Issued at: 7:18 PM EST 1/30/11, expires at: 3:30 AM EST 1/31/11
Winter storm watch in effect from late Monday night through wednesday afternoon,
The NWS in state college has issued a winter storm watch, which is in effect from late Monday night through wednesday afternoon.
Location, central Pennsylvania.
Precipitation type, a wintry mix, starting out as snow, changing to sleet and freezing rain Tuesday.
Accumulations, several inches of snow possible before mixing with or changing to sleet and freezing rain.
Timing, beginning Monday night, lasting into Wednesday.
Impacts, could significantly impact travel due to snow and ice covered roads. Power outages also possible due to accretions of freezing rain on tree limbs which could knock down power lines.
Precautionary/preparedness actions,
A winter storm watch means there is a potential for significant snow, sleet, or ice accumulations that may impact travel. Stay tuned to noaa weather radio or your favorite source of weather information for the latest updates. Additional details can also be found at, weather.gov/statecollege.
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142. Zachary Labe 12:42 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
I have extremely concerned for the potential of a crippling ice storm across central Pennsylvania.
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143. 1900hurricane 12:43 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting shipweather:
where the hell is Blizz? This is a monster storm...

He just got on facebook, so he should be here soon.

*EDIT: Hey look, there he is!
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144. weathercrazy40 12:44 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
sitting here between bos and prov i guess im once again sitting on the fence
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145. Mason803 12:45 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
I have extremely concerned for the potential of a crippling ice storm across central Pennsylvania.


threat is increasing. i would like to see the models hold tight the next run though. south mountain area usually does well with cad situations. blue mountain does well for you too
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146. PalmyraPunishment 12:46 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
I have extremely concerned for the potential of a crippling ice storm across central Pennsylvania.


1.217 inches of freezing rain would be catastrophic. let's hope it doesn't come to that.
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147. danielb1023 12:46 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
I have extremely concerned for the potential of a crippling ice storm across central Pennsylvania.


Blizz, how far east will the ice go? My high in roseland, nj is still just 33 Wednesday. Starting to think I could stay at or below freezing for the duration
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148. Zachary Labe 12:46 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
We should be looking for a few things on tonight's model runs. What remains most important as far as precipitation types is when the secondary/coastal low develops. If it develops farther south, colder air will be drawn south into the precipitation pushing the heavier snow lines south and freezing rain lines south. Looking off the GFS/NAM with the 18z runs, it appears the coastal popped a bit quicker therefore with the colder solutions. Stay tuned!
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149. Zachary Labe 12:47 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:


1.217 inches of freezing rain would be catastrophic. let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Gosh, that would be horrific and unpresidented. Therefore is it probably unlikely.

danielb1023- This is sort of a west to east storm. Therefore latitude is important and areas with similar latitudes will have similar temperature profiles and precipitation. This excludes though the immediate coast which should warm up.
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150. pittsburghnurse 12:47 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
I have extremely concerned for the potential of a crippling ice storm across central Pennsylvania.


Calling for up to half inch of ice here too. Very concerned, especially as a new homeowner. How do you prepare for an ice storm?
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151. Snowlover2010 12:50 AM GMT on January 31, 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
We should be looking for a few things on tonight's model runs. What remains most important as far as precipitation types is when the secondary/coastal low develops. If it develops farther south, colder air will be drawn south into the precipitation pushing the heavier snow lines south and freezing rain lines south. Looking off the GFS/NAM with the 18z runs, it appears the coastal popped a bit quicker therefore with the colder solutions. Stay tuned!


Any early estimates for Central PA?
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