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Final Snow Map and City Accumulation List...
Posted by: Zachary Labe, 8:47 PM GMT on January 10, 2008 +0
Thoughts on January 14th storm...
Good Afternoon! Well this current storm is a dud for many areas of Pennsylvania. I like my snow map, but I highly doubt now that southern pennsylvania sees any snow accumulation. Also I do not think that New England sees a much snow as was forecast. But let us all keep our hope up for the next storm on Thursday.

Also I know I have talked much about the western part of Pennsylvania, because of the coastal storm. So with the clipper coming through do not be surprised to see c-3inches of snow all the way as far east as harrisburg.

This blog is also for anybody's opinion or forecast for this storm. Also if anyone has any questions, I will be happy to answer them. I will continue to update this blog for this event as it grows closer. Have a great day!

Radar...
Radar...

Warnings...
Warnings...

NAO...
NAO...

This is my current rain/snow line...
Washington, DC to Wilmington, DE to Philadelphia, PA to Trenton, NJ to New York City, New York.
-Anybody to 30miles either side of the line will see a mix. Furthur north than that and you will see snow and furthur south you will see all rain. Also I do not think the coastlines will see much snow. Maybe just a few inches.

Storm impacts...
1. 8hr storm at most locations
2. snow bands may set up inland with high snow rates
3. high winds in areas of Maine and Cape Cod, MA
4. not too large area of sleet or frz rain
5. Wet snow that may cause power outages

Final Snow Map...
Final Snow Map...
The red line is where the mix/snow line might end up. Anybody northwest of that line should be all snow.
"Subject to Change"

Selected City Accumulations for the Northeast...
Hagerstown, MD- C-2inches
Baltimore, MD- C-2inches
Washington, DC- C-1inch
Wilmington, DE- C-2inches
Dover, DE- C-1inch
Cape May, NJ- Coating
Trenton, NJ- 2-4inches
New York City, NY- 2-5inches
Poughkeepsie, NY- 4-7inches
Binghamton, NY- 3-7inches
Albany, NY- 2-4inches
Hartford, CT- 5-9inches
Concord, NH- 4-8inches
Providence, RI- 4-6inches
Worcester, MA- 5-10inches, locally 12inches
Boston, MA- 5-8inches, locally 10inches
Nantucket, MA- C-2inches
Portland, ME- 4-8inches
Bangor, ME- 4-8inches
"Subject to Change"

Model Analysis
Well the models shifted east and more compact with the precipitation. Overall I think this was pretty poor forecasting from almost everyone. I blame the models though, lol, as they have been back and forth with this storm for weeks. I do not think we will see many 12inch amounts like currently forecasted. Alot of people, especially on other blogs did alot of wishcasting that created this big hype about this small coastal storm. We are all snow starved. Lets up we see some good snow soon, widespread.

More updates are coming all the time so stay tuned...
Have a great evening!!!

Here is the 18z GFS...
18z GFS...

Here is the 18z GFS precipitation amounts...
18z GFS precip. amounts...

Here is the 18z NAM...
18z NAM...

After the storm...
The next storm I am going to forecast is the possible coastal storm for Thursday. I plan on doing a better job forecasting that storm than I did this storm. This is all a learning experience. Sometimes the weather pulls tricks of its own, that forecasters cannot see.

Please post storm reports in this blog from across the Northeast during the coastal storm...
This blog is in progress. Check back soon...
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1. dean2007 9:29 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
It even appears the 18z NAM is coming into agreement with the coastal storm, I have a new blog posted Blizzard, so everyone can check it out.
2. jthal57 9:34 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
Blizzard-I hope you're right on that snow line. We here in the Lehigh Valley always seem to be on that fence. Perhaps this storm will be the charm!
3. edhanna 9:37 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
Indeed Jthal, this seems to be ending up like all the other storms with a mixed bag for us.
4. Snowlover2010 9:41 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
I hope we get some heavy snow here in Lancaster too.
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5. Zachary Labe 9:43 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
I think the GFS is overdoing the cold air, but I still think areas in Lancaster, York, Berks, Lehigh, and Northampton Counties see a good snowfall. At some times it may mix with rain, but I still think that those regions see a moderate accumulation of snow.
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6. dean2007 9:38 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
I think eastern PA will get some snow, but will mix with rain, esp southeastern PA, including Philadelphia, PA. Its reall the same case as here on Cape Cod, Ma, althought we are a little more influenced by the marine layer. Also I want to point out that track is very crucial. You might think, yes we already know, but it is extremely important on Cape Cod, MA because there is a huge difference between a southeast wind off the warmer ocean water then a northeast wind where its off of colder water temps and originally from the north where it is naturally colder. I just wanted to point that out, thats the difference between all snow and and rain.
7. Zachary Labe 9:50 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
Do you get any types of sleet storms of freezing rain storms on Cape Cod?
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8. eaglesrock 9:51 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
All models now show phasing, which is good. Bow it's who gets how much snow.

I'm sticking with my map from yesterday, but I would move the blue area about 20-40 miles eastward.
9. PalmyraPunishment 9:52 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
please.. lots of snow for Carlisle/Mechanisburg/Camp Hill/Harrisburg..

puh puh please..
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10. dean2007 9:53 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
Only for a short period of time as the ocean influences are felt right away so any snow really has no transition over to sleet or freezing rain, as most of the time it either rains or snow. My NWS station in taunton, MA has growing confidence in the storm:
THE 12Z MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT THAT A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL
DEVELOP IN THE GULF OF MEXICO AND RAPIDLY MOVE NORTHEASTWARD...PASSING
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN CAPE COD AND THE 40/70 BENCHMARK LATE SUNDAY NIGHT
OR MONDAY MORNING. THE GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN IS WELL OUTSIDE THE
BENCHMARK...BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS IS USUALLY THE CASE BEFORE IT
TRENDS SLOWLY BACK WEST TOWARD THE OP RUN. DESPITE THE GENERAL
AGREEMENT IN TRACK AND TIMING...THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
THE MODELS AS FAR AS HOW INTENSE THE LOW WILL BECOME BEFORE EXITING
OUR GENERAL REGION. THE 12Z ECMWF IS QUITE A BIT WEAKER THAN THE 12Z
GFS OP RUN AND FURTHER EAST AS IT SEEMS A BIT FLATTER WITH THE
SOUTHERN STREAM ENERGY.

IN A NUTSHELL...WE DO THINK THERE WILL BE A MODERATE TO SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY MORNING FOR MOST OF SOUTHERN NEW
ENGLAND. HOWEVER...THERE ARE STILL CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCES IN THE
EVOLUTION OF THE STORM...AND THIS IS TO BE EXPECTED AT THIS RANGE.
CONFIDENCE IS INCREASING IN A PLOWABLE SNOWFALL FOR MOST OF SOUTHERN
NEW ENGLAND BUT IT/S NOT QUITE A LOCK YET. WENT WITH CHANCE POPS
STARTING LATE SUNDAY AFTN OR EARLY EVENING FOR RAIN OR SNOW...THEN
WENT LIKELY FOR LATER SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY MORNING FOR MOSTLY
SNOW...ALTHOUGH THERE COULD BE PRECIP TYPE ISSUES FOR PORTIONS OF
CT/RI AND SE MASS DEPENDING ON HOW FAR WEST THE MID LEVEL LOW
TRAVELS. THERE/S REALLY NO WAY TO KNOW THESE DETAILS UNTIL WE GET A
BIT CLOSER TO THE EVENT.

IF THE 12Z OP GFS VERIFIES...SOMEONE WILL GET CLOBBERED WITH A GOOD
DEAL OF SNOW...PROBABLY THE WORCESTER HILLS WESTWARD. HOWEVER...BEING
3 TO 4 DAYS OUT I EXPECT CHANGES IN THE FORECAST TRACK AND THEREFORE
CHANGES TO OUR FORECAST...INCLUDING ANY SNOW AMOUNTS AND PRECIP
TYPES...OVER THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. WITH ALL THIS SAID...CONFIDENCE IS
INDEED GROWING FOR A DECENT AND PERHAPS SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL FOR
MOST OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY.

LOOKS LIKE STEADY PRECIP IS OVER AND DONE WITH SOMETIME LATE MON
MORNING OR MON AFTERNOON ALTHOUGH THERE COULD BE SOME LINGERING SNOW
SHOWERS THROUGH EARLY TUE NIGHT WITH UPPER TROF PASSAGE.
11. dean2007 9:54 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
The coast deserves a good snowstorm, we have had snow change to rain for the past five storms while the interior has seen over 10" of snow with each storm. I still think the 20th storm is ours.
12. Zachary Labe 9:58 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
PalmyraPunishment- For the...
Carlisle/Mechanisburg/Camp Hill/Harrisburg
area I think we could be talking about very heavy snow. I do not want to get to excited yet.(I already am)But I think we will not have to worry too much about mixes. Also I saw another snow map for Pennsylvania on another blog site and it has footplus for our area. This is not of the question that we do see a significant amount. Though I am not ready to say exact amounts.
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13. Zachary Labe 10:04 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
18z soon out...
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14. dean2007 10:06 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
Link
18z 90 hour GFS out shows the coastal storm further west, which I don't see happening, it should be further east then this run, its the still 18z whacky run, but the good news is it still has our coastal storm.
15. Zachary Labe 10:57 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
My only worry is that the models underestimate the southeast wind. If there are strong enough winds then the 850line will move much farthar inland.
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16. Snowlover2010 10:39 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
Blizzard, where is that other snow map you are talking about?
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17. Zachary Labe 11:04 PM GMT on January 10, 2008    
umm... I think I saw it on weathermatrix
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18. Zachary Labe 8:19 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
Wow, this has been a confusing to forecast storm. I still think that the models are saying that the clipper is too strong.
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19. Zachary Labe 8:36 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
I will have an update in my blog about the storm sometime this evening.
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20. dean2007 9:52 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
Sounds good blizzard. I think the jacpot area would be from Hartford, CT points east towards Cape Cod, MA and then northeast of that line. This is a coastal Southern and Northern New England event. MA to ME. 12"+
21. Zachary Labe 10:07 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
18z has trended a little farthur west
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22. eaglesrock 10:26 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
My snow map:

23. Zachary Labe 10:30 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
eaglesrock- Looks good. But for some reason I have high doubts about the coastal regions seeing a major snow accumulation. I guess we will wait and see.

Also do you think that there is a chance the models could switch back to their original thinking of yesterdays runs?
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24. dean2007 10:32 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
That seems reasonable eaglesrock. I would agree with that, but I think that heavy snow should move further east, if the current model tracks hold. Check my blog to see my map.
25. Zachary Labe 11:31 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
I think the winners out of this storm are going to be found in Massachusetts near Worcester
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26. Snowlover2010 11:35 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
Do you think we will see heavy snow or a mix in Lititz(about 10 miles north of Lancaster)?
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27. Zachary Labe 11:37 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
I think you will see all snow.
Um...accumulations... 3-7inches I think for you in Lititz.
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28. Zachary Labe 11:40 PM GMT on January 11, 2008    
I think from the Susquehanna River on eastward is where most of the snow accumulations will be.
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29. Snowlover2010 1:55 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
A lot of people are saying little or no snow is possible. What do you think? Are you going to downgrade too? I want a nice snowstorm, but most peoples confidence sounds low.
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30. Zachary Labe 1:47 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Here is honestly what I think will happen...
No wishful thinking...

I think for our area here in the lower susquehanna valley we end up seeing 3-7inches of snow depending on your location. I do not think we will see any mix.

But I think for the I95 corridor they will not see much snow.
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31. Zachary Labe 1:57 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Here is one thing I have recently learned about the weather.

Do not get all worked up when one model does not show your solution you want. It is just one run. I say for the storm on Monday wait until tomorrow 12z runs and then we will have a great idea of what could happen.

Until then just wait and go with your instinct based on the weather maps and not what the computer models say.
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32. Snowlover2010 2:03 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Ok sounds good. I was just getting worried because some guys on acuuweather are saying we are getting HYPED up on nothing.
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33. Zachary Labe 2:06 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Yes, I have been reading that. I do think we will see snow. But there is always a chance we get missed by the storm. It will be very interesting tomorrow.
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34. Zachary Labe 2:03 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
18z NAM is out and it now shows a major snowstorm for central Pennsylvania and it is much farthur west. This is what I expected and have been forecasting all along. I think that will be the track for the coastal storm.

More snow for me!!!Yea!!!
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35. Snowlover2010 2:34 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
After looking at the NAM do you think I will be mixed with rain and snow in Lititz, and how much is possible? Sorry about all the questions, but I am just getting sooo excited.
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36. Zachary Labe 2:35 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
I am starting to get very excited. I usually trust the NAM. Nope I still think we are all snow. Snow accumulations probably 3-maybe8inches. NO it is now wishful thinking.
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37. eaglesrock 2:43 AM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Just updated my blog. Check it out.
38. Zachary Labe 1:43 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
eaglesrock- I will check it out.
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39. jthal57 1:47 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Blizzard-will this one be all snow for Lehigh Valley?
40. Zachary Labe 1:58 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
I believe so.
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41. jthal57 1:52 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
doe anyone have thoughts on snow ratios yet?
42. Zachary Labe 2:17 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
I think it will be a wet snow of 10:1.

Also remember everyone the ground is very warm so it will not accumulate right away.
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43. PalmyraPunishment 1:55 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
tracking west?!?! i swear to god if this thing gives me 3-6 inches of snow (closer to 6) i'll be singing hallelujah
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44. Zachary Labe 2:21 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
PalmyraPunishment- I am not worried about mixing this time around, for once. I am worried about the storm not throwing precipitation back into our area.

The new 12z NAM is out and now it shows the storm farthur east.
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45. PalmyraPunishment 2:24 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
just read Wishcaster Margusity's blog and he feels confident about his snow map issued yesterday.. Philadelphia to Boston getting 6-10 inches, further west not much...

this really sucks haha.
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46. dean2007 2:36 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
This is a rain changing to heavy snow quickly as the storm is going to be east of our area, Blizzard, not west, like it has been this winter. That's why its snow and not all rain. A northeast wind will keep the surface colder than what you think because the ocean is colder and the air is naturally colder from a northeast direction. All of the other storms featured this winter had a southeast wind, which is why it turned over to a heavy rain.
47. cchamp6 3:03 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
It sounds like I am in the bulleye for some pretty good snow. Litchfield, CT in the northwestern hills. It doesnt sound like locals or NWS are very confident at all. We are 36-40 hours out, usually someone is pulling the trigger on a winter storm watch by now. If this storm is a go would we see winter storm warnings or heavy snow warning I wonder. Things got real dicey last evening. We had wet roads, then the temp. dropped to between 30-32 with freezing fog. I was dozing off to sleep when the pager went off at 1030 to go salt the roads. Several accidents due to the black ice. Oh well rest time today, sounds like the next week or so is going to be busy.
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48. dean2007 3:07 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Link
SNOW MAP UPDATED AFTER 12Z NAM.
49. WeatherBobNut 4:18 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
yes I wouldn't be shocked to see the 12z further west....on, these damn models!!!!
50. dean2007 4:39 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
What do you think of my snow map?
51. Stormfront 4:59 PM GMT on January 12, 2008    
Your latest snow map could be right on the money, dean2007. Still has a lot to due with the actual track, but that map looks real close!
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