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By: BaltimoreBrian , 2:40 AM GMT on May 20, 2014

This blog is for civil discussion of climate change and the sharing of information. Differing views and opinions welcome. I will not tolerate personal attacks and trollish behavior in my blog. Or tunnel monomania. Otherwise it is a free speech zone.

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2003. MountainManDave9
4:28 AM GMT on January 06, 2016

Quoting 1938. BaltimoreBrian:

Do y'all like the historical imagery I post from Slate: The Vault or should I drop it?
I Like It,

Dave
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2002. BaltimoreBrian
4:27 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Forget Homeland: This is much more accurate :)

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2001. BaltimoreBrian
4:27 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Well...I think you'll be a lot better off without student loans...there are a lot of ways to build credit without them. Try to keep them to a minimum. Student loans make it a lot harder to start saving for retirement and a house.
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2000. Astrometeor
4:24 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Quoting 1997. BaltimoreBrian:

Brian the dog drinks a lot more martinis than I do ;)


He's also an atheist. I watch the episodes in Eagleweed's room this year, and I just loved the one about Meg becoming a Christian. The book burning with Darwin's book, Stephen Hawking's book, and "Logic for Elementary Kids" all got burned and that was hilarious.

Does the alcohol difference level out after you play a game of rugby? :P
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1999. Astrometeor
4:20 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Quoting 1994. BaltimoreBrian:

Student loans are also a great burden to many. And a unique fact about student loans is that you can't discharge them in bankruptcy. If you want credit, get a credit card, charge your textbooks on them and pay it off the next month. I didn't have any student debt, and you'll be better off if you don't either.


Nuh uh, I'm not charging my textbooks to a credit card. They tell you to steer clear of those things in college. Just too dangerous to slip up on the payments. My sis would illegally download her textbooks, and shared them amongst her friends, she said the University (Caltech) would threaten the students from time to time with legal action for pirating its professor's books...but nothing happened.

My brother has tens of thousands in loans, Dad co-signed, but he's paying it off just fine. The problems that I've heard are from people who went to expensive schools or dropped out. My brother's girlfriend's brother dropped, and she co-signed. My high school's English teacher attended Vanderbilt as an out-of-state student, he's burdened for life.

*shrug* If I don't get a job after graduation of grad school (crosses fingers) then I'm in trouble. It's not like I'm going and buying a big house immediately or anything. I'll get a used car from someone in the family if I need transportation.

I did know the bankruptcy fact when I listened to a NPR talk a few years ago. That does suck, and should change. It doesn't mean the entire wallop is evil, though.
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1998. BaltimoreBrian
4:12 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
What scientists just discovered in Greenland could be making sea level rise even worse

Quote from the abstract of the article in Nature:

Here, the formation of near-surface ice layers renders deep pore space difficult to access, forcing meltwater to enter an efficient surface discharge system and intensifying ice sheet mass loss earlier than previously suggested.
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1997. BaltimoreBrian
4:04 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Brian the dog drinks a lot more martinis than I do ;)
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1996. BaltimoreBrian
4:02 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Followup to the Block Donald J Trump from UK entry petition:

The UK government response:

For good reasons the Government does not routinely comment on individual immigration and exclusion decisions.

The Home Secretary may exclude a non-European Economic Area national from the UK if she considers their presence in the UK to be non-conducive to the public good.

The Home Secretary has said that coming to the UK is a privilege and not a right and she will continue to use the powers available to prevent from entering the UK those who seek to harm our society and who do not share our basic values.

Exclusion powers are very serious and are not used lightly. The Home Secretary will use these powers when justified and based on all available evidence.

The Prime Minister has made clear that he completely disagrees with Donald Trump%u2019s remarks. The Home Secretary has said that Donald Trump' remarks in relation to Muslims are divisive, unhelpful and wrong.

The Government recognises the strength of feeling against the remarks and will continue to speak out against comments which have the potential to divide our communities, regardless of who makes them. We reject any attempts to create division and marginalisation amongst those we endeavour to protect.

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Parliament will debate this petition

Parliament will debate this petition on 18 January 2016. You'll be able to watch online at parliamentlive.tv This is on MLK day so no excuse to miss it Nathan ;)
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1995. BaltimoreBrian
3:36 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Since "The Birds" was filmed and set in Bodega Bay, after you saw those two clips you can see the many references to the film in this Audi commercial.



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1994. BaltimoreBrian
3:32 AM GMT on January 06, 2016
Student loans are also a great burden to many. And a unique fact about student loans is that you can't discharge them in bankruptcy. If you want credit, get a credit card, charge your textbooks on them and pay it off the next month. I didn't have any student debt, and you'll be better off if you don't either.
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1993. Astrometeor
6:29 PM GMT on January 05, 2016
Quoting 1992. BaltimoreBrian:

Hopefully useful to the college students who frequent wunderground. The only states without any student loan forgiveness programs are Alabama and Tennessee.

These states might forgive some of your student debt


Why are health care professionals on a lot of those states' lists?

My family should be fine. College loans give a massive opportunity to build credit without which you can't buy a house or a car in the future. My older brother has enough money now to pay off all of his loans right now if he wanted to, but it would drain his bank account pretty good. He's been in the workforce for 5 years and graduated from one of the most expensive schools in the country. Yes, he's in a high-paying field, but he's also in a high-taxing area of the country.

My father set up college accounts when we were each born (he took his graduate business classes about saving seriously, I suppose). There's enough money in my account to pay for most of my schooling.

My sister has loans as well, but she doesn't have to pay them off yet because she's in graduate school, so the interest rates stay at 0%.

Tennessee has been trying to encourage use of the Hope Scholarship and attending community colleges for the first two years of schooling. I doubt a super majority of Republicans in the state are going to offer aid to college students.
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1992. BaltimoreBrian
6:24 AM GMT on January 05, 2016
Hopefully useful to the college students who frequent wunderground. The only states without any student loan forgiveness programs are Alabama and Tennessee.

These states might forgive some of your student debt
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1991. BaltimoreBrian
5:49 AM GMT on January 05, 2016
Quoting 1990. Astrometeor:

What happens if the birds mount a counterattack?



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1990. Astrometeor
4:06 AM GMT on January 05, 2016
Quoting 1985. BaltimoreBrian:

Just when you thought the militia movement couldn't get any stranger

They perform an armed invasion

of an empty visitors' center

at a bird sanctuary.


What happens if the birds mount a counterattack?
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1989. Astrometeor
4:03 AM GMT on January 05, 2016
Quoting 1986. BaltimoreBrian:

Fair or unfair cartoon? Discuss!



I will start posting new article lists on Thursday evening or when the blog comment count fills up, whichever is later.


Fair or not, Family Guy is hilarious. Brian, is Brian the Dog your kind of character? :)
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1988. aquak9
3:33 AM GMT on January 05, 2016
@1986- looks like shades of chocolate to me.
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1987. ycd0108
3:31 AM GMT on January 05, 2016
I might post this link on my blog also:
Link
Water!
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1986. BaltimoreBrian
8:59 PM GMT on January 04, 2016
Fair or unfair cartoon? Discuss!



I will start posting new article lists on Thursday evening or when the blog comment count fills up, whichever is later.
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1985. BaltimoreBrian
8:55 PM GMT on January 04, 2016
Just when you thought the militia movement couldn't get any stranger

They perform an armed invasion

of an empty visitors' center

at a bird sanctuary.
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1984. BaltimoreBrian
8:53 PM GMT on January 04, 2016
Everyone had a frank conversation about a controversial topic and stayed civil towards each other. I'm very proud of y'all.
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1983. ChiThom
4:05 PM GMT on January 03, 2016
P.S. I'm glad that we have intelligent and well-read people frequenting the blog. And of course that includes you, Brian.
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1982. ChiThom
4:01 PM GMT on January 03, 2016
re: #1964... I wonder if the guy knows that he's a throwback to the 1960s. The young lady who positioned herself in front of him, told him to leave, and didn't budge, was very brave. She was counting on his civility ("even a redneck wouldn't hit a woman") but the wrong words might have brought out his rage and fisticuffs. So she was vulnerable and brave. The young man that told him to go home and drink a beer was probably trying to come to her aid (defense) but the silence of the protesters (after telling him to leave) was probably their best defense. They stared him down and he finally left.
It seems that civility is getting challenged by this guy, and by the media that he watches. "The medium is the message" comes to mind. (Marshall McLuhan) The medium has lost some of its civility, and the guy is acting-out what he has seen. As civilized people, we need to "take back" some of our media. If this was in Germany, he would have been arrested for incitement. (or so I've heard.) Not for the confrontation, but for the hate speech.
Yeats was right-on.
You could write a book on this subject.
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1981. ycd0108
1:46 AM GMT on January 03, 2016
I don't want any organs from that guy!
Bits and parts that have been swimming in Bile would probably kill me painfully.
I'd rather donate my washed out kidney to him.
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1980. aquak9
1:27 AM GMT on January 03, 2016
Media- I agree, my statement was a bit knee-jerky.

Could this human in question be re-trained to act like a nice person? I doubt it. Such ingrained anger is beyond surface-deep.

Could this human be useful as an organ-donor? Absolutely.

Granted, my response is probably way beyond the 2SD of a normal population. But the over-riding opinion here seems to be along the same lines: as is, he is not a desirable human being.
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1979. Mediarologist
1:18 AM GMT on January 03, 2016
AquaD - Well now see you first say that this person is a product of their environment, which is basically to say that it's not their fault that they turned out the way they did. But in the very next sentence you say basically that the person deserves to die. So which is it? I'm only asking to bring an important point, which is we have to take a long look at the real complexity of the issue, and the actual underlying causes. I'm not saying I have the answers to what's really going on, just that I believe we should try to avoid pointing the finger at the "other", becuase this is Humanity's problem and challenge. I think that's the only way that we will move forward.
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1978. aquak9
10:44 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
one more comment-
Most folks who speak with that much hatred, were raised with it. Just like if we're raised speaking a certain language, it's what we know. I think he was raised on a diet of fear and anger, a language of hatred and bigotry.

He should be made into an organ donor.

Immediately.
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1977. bappit
10:19 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
krumholtz -- apologies accepted. You have my sympathies. Your comment would have been just fine in a lot of venues.
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1976. krumholtz
10:10 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
1974. bappit
I was incensed by that vulgar man in the video. I apologize for insulting him with vulgar language. My grandfather always said that a person who swore did not have a good command of the English language, Oh well, but probably true.
My apologies.
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1975. Astrometeor
9:52 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
Quoting 1964. BaltimoreBrian:

Please discuss the merits of this man's pro-fracking argument. From a small protest on Sunday, December 27, 2015 in Butler County, PA north of Pittsburgh.

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We could discuss the merits of his argument if he presented an argument to begin with. I've never seen racism on that level, and I'm from the South and have redneck friends (not saying they're racist, they're not, but let's just say Nea wouldn't get along with them). Pennsylvania can keep him, I don't want that kind of mentality around here.
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1974. bappit
6:35 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
The protesters' reaction was great. Krumholtz is off base. I also flagged his post for vulgarity.
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1973. BaltimoreBrian
5:03 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
Responding to comments:

#1965 ycd I like your reasoning. I think we all change as we live, and hopefully we grow.

#1966 krumholtz and #1969 Xyrus2000, I have to agree with Xyrus here. As an atheist, I don't believe in the sacred; I don't believe all creations are equally valuable either--and that some creations have no worth, and the value of some is negative. I agree with krumholtz's comment in 1972 much more. However, most of the protesters looked retired--John Pisone (name widely reported in media) looked big, and I can easily imagine him becoming violent.

Mediarologist #1967 & 1971: your comments deserve a longer response from me, since you have put a lot into yours. On hate on the net--when I googled this person's name he has a lot of support on whacko sites, including the daily stormer (don't go there) and one site that glorified Anders Breivik FAT, bigoted and stupid is no way to go through life.

JohnLonergan #1970 as usual your comments are incisive and spot on. This is the source I found as an update: PA man fired for racist tirade at anti-fracking protest says his comments were 'stupid' Indeed.

Interestingly, he doesn't even work for a fracking company--he's a landscaper.

krumholtz #1972 I agree with your comment here--the protesters didn't engage him much after he let loose with the racist and obscene remarks.

Good contributions by all!
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1972. krumholtz
4:58 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
The swine in the video should not have been talked to. No conversation is necessary because he is there to provoke and start a fight. Watch how he physically positions himself, he's ready to defend and swing but later becomes a little overconfident and vulnerable. The protester with the umbrella should have closed it and held it to indicate that he understood the violent threat the swine imposed on the group. Self defense is legal.
Furthermore, the swine,s verbal attack was obviously meant to provoke and this could have been a set up for political reasons. There is nothing sacred about the POS's actions and underhanded political operations.
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1971. Mediarologist
12:21 PM GMT on January 02, 2016
I've got some thoughts that have been stewing for a while about this.

The Internet itself is part of the driving force behind this upsurge in racism and bigotry in general. The commentary on the linked page takes note of how brazen and open the racist is about his opinions. This comes from an echo chamber effect of talking with only others of a like mind and repeating the same ideas back and forth until it seems like everybody really feels that way, until you go out in the world and try to act that way. Then you find out that in the real world that sh*t don't fly. It's a similar phenomenon to what we see with certain mental illnesses, such as schizophrenics getting online and being able to connect with others who back up and reinforce their delusions of being 'targeted' and such.

I have noticed a rising tide of racism and hate online over the past 5 years or so, and that certain white supremacist groups are very active in certain sectors of the Internet, recruiting impressionable minds, constantly interjecting racist comments into any conversation, until the majority of the conversations are about race. To these groups, everything has to be about race, everything always comes back to race. People hear the same phrases and talking points brought up over and over, and if they are impressionable they might start to believe them, if they sound reasonable. They always start with the 'I'm a reasonable man' kind of arguments, but ultimately they want a race war. If there isn't one then they'll damn sure try and start one. It should be obvious that white people aren't the only ones tuned into this station.

Anyways, is the solution then to try and restrict and censor the flow of information online? I don't believe it is. What we're seeing here is part of a larger process that humanity is going through. Call it growing pains, maybe. Even though it could get a little rough, the rise of this energy is different from previous incarnations. This ain't Germany in 1934, and we're not falling for this again. What I see (hope I see) is that this monster, which is us, which is our genetic heritage, the rat brain if you will trying to pull us back into the primordial ooze, if you follow me, this beast rearing it's head one more time so that we, Humanity, can take a good look at it and then say "We don't need this any more, we don't need you anymore, and we are moving beyond this." That's my hope. Some days I'm an optimist.

Apparently this dude is becoming somewhat of an Internet celebrity/pariah, which is good because exposure to light is exactly the right thing for this darkness. He is finding out a little more now about what direction he is actually headed in. Sure some people are going to see a hero, but world wide people are connecting, also due to the Internet, with the reality that we are all of us a single species on this world here. Sanity as well as insanity is being disseminated online.
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1970. JohnLonergan
11:21 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Quoting 1964. BaltimoreBrian:

Please discuss the merits of this man's pro-fracking argument. From a small protest on Sunday, December 27, 2015 in Butler County, PA north of Pittsburgh.

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The good news is that his employer, the fracking company, fired him. For my opinion of him and his "arguments", I'll let PZ Myers and his commenters speak for me. Comments may be NSFW


Here
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1969. Xyrus2000
6:49 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Quoting 1966. krumholtz:
I am an agnostic, but all creations are sacred.


I disagree. If a creation has conscious free will and willingly chooses such a path as this "thing" did, then it is no longer sacred.

That's what makes man such a monster. Not only do we have the ability to chose hate, evil, and destruction, but we also have the means and methods to act on such decisions.
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1968. Xyrus2000
6:43 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Quoting 1964. BaltimoreBrian:

Please discuss the merits of this man's pro-fracking argument. From a small protest on Sunday, December 27, 2015 in Butler County, PA north of Pittsburgh.

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Well, if you want to know who supports Trump, you got a live one right there.

People like that bring no value to our species and inhibit our advancement. It's unfortunate that our technology has stopped evolution from naturally removing sub-humans like this from our gene pool.
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1967. Mediarologist
6:34 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Uh.. what was his argument again? Something about working? I wish they had gotten the dude's name, so that credit could be given where it was due, for the world to see. Ladies and gentlemen of the world, I present to you: Mr. Butler county, PA.

This is what humanity is up against, unfortunately. Our worst selves. I wonder if the guy has any clue that he is the evolutionary throwback among that group.
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1966. krumholtz
5:37 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
1964. BaltimoreBrian
When I was in my early twenties another young man I was working with told me how he and his friends would look for "wet backs" and beat them up. He said many derogatory things about our brothers from south of the border. That night he was killed in a horrific traffic accident. I think god may have taken him off of this earth.
This young man talking trash in this video reminds me of that day. May god or the gods have mercy on his tormented soul.
I am an agnostic, but all creations are sacred.
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1965. ycd0108
5:11 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
#1964:
I was a 'red neck' like him when young but I doubt I would have walked in to berate the protesters.
The guy has some 'balls' for sure.
'Course that seems to be a large part of the problem we face:
"The best lack all conviction
While the worst are filled
With passionate intensity."
W.B. Yeats
Edit:
He's kinda dumpy too.
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1964. BaltimoreBrian
4:25 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Please discuss the merits of this man's pro-fracking argument. From a small protest on Sunday, December 27, 2015 in Butler County, PA north of Pittsburgh.

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1963. BaltimoreBrian
4:18 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Convection was never so stunningly gorgeous (video)
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1962. BaltimoreBrian
4:15 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
In Spain, 2015 Ends with a Cosmic Bang



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1961. BaltimoreBrian
4:12 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Thanks ycd0108! I think I got #1958 in shape now. Happy New Year to you!
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1960. BaltimoreBrian
4:10 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Strawberry varieties, from a traveling seed salesman's catalog, 1901. Click to enlarge. Especially for aquak9.





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1959. ycd0108
4:07 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
#1938:
'Like' is too weak. I love those posts.
#1958 needs some TLC though.
Happy New Year!
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1958. BaltimoreBrian
3:55 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Stephen Austin's manuscript map of eastern Texas from 1822: prairie in yellow; woods in green. Click to enlarge. Especially for etxwx.

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1957. BaltimoreBrian
3:50 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
The "lace" on this devotional card, ca. 1770, is actually paper cut with scissors

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1956. BaltimoreBrian
3:47 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
From a book of "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet" push-outs, 1952

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1955. BaltimoreBrian
3:46 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Wild French wallpaper from the 1870s:

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1954. BaltimoreBrian
3:44 AM GMT on January 02, 2016
Xmas postcards sent from the Western Front, 1915, 1916, & 1917







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