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| Posted by: Lee Grenci, 12:40 PM GMT on March 09, 2013 | +7 |

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Retired senior lecturer in the Department of Meteorology at Penn State, where he was lead faculty for PSU's online certificate in forecasting.
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I'm not sure when the wind actually shifted, but it started blowing thrugh the north-facing windows at 4:30. When it starting ringing the wind chimes, I decided on coffee and forecasts. Sure enough - small craft warning. Wind warning. Fire warning...
ADD: Looks like that north wind woke up the boyz, too. ;)
Sent: 04:39 CST on 03-05-2013
Effective: 04:39 CST on 03-05-2013
Expires: 18:00 CST on 03-05-2013
Event: Wind Advisory
I'm just delighted with this chance to better understand something I experienced, and I'm looking forward to to working my way through this later.
(By the way - what pulled me in was your title - "Undular Bore". I thought, "I've known a lot of bores in my life. I wonder what this one's about?" Happy to have learned a new definition for the word.)
1:02 PM GMT on March 09, 2013
Wonderful! Feel free to ask any questions! Thanks so much for taking the time to write. Much appreciated.
Lee
There is a Texas saying "There ain't nothin between here and the North Pole 'cept for a barbed wire fence" that comes to play with the northers that blast down the east side of the Rockies. The cross isobar flow is dramatic with these.
Cold air can sneak into the DC area from the northeast. I've never seen it sneak in from the northwest, again because of the mountains.
Sorry for going a bit off post topic but thanks for the post.
How often do you see undular bores in PA from synoptic scale cold fronts? If you see a lot of them I've just missed them (until now) in my observations.
2:34 PM GMT on March 09, 2013
George,
No need to apologize. I really enjoy reading your stuff.
I wanted to use the term, "density current," but I refrained because the meteorology and terminology was already rather complicated.
I haven't seen many undular bores over Pennsylvania. I see lots of mountain wave clouds, though, but they're two different phenomena. I suspect the mountains tend to disrupt any wave duct that might provide a nice, easy avenue for bores to travel.
Edit: The article might need improvement. Dunno. Says, "They normally occur within an area of the atmosphere which is stable in the low levels after an outflow boundary or a cold front moves through." Seems a bit off since that wording suggests the bore occurs at a location after the boundary passes.
11:54 PM GMT on March 09, 2013
Many thanks for your kind words. I confess that there weren't many choices for the title. Thanks again.
11:56 PM GMT on March 09, 2013
Many thanks. Great point to make about the Bay of Fundy. Thanks so much for your contribution.
11:57 PM GMT on March 09, 2013
Agreed. Very good scientific insight. Thanks so much for contributing.
12:09 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
You're quite welcome, and thanks for posting.
12:32 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
I added a short paragraph on the speed of the cold front (second graph below the Corpus Christi skew-T) to show you that there are limitations on the formation of an undular bore.
12:32 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
12:40 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
I posted a movie of Doppler velocities from the radar at Corpus Christi...it's at the very end of my blog.
A National Geographic article on tidal bores mentioned that " "Extreme meteorological conditions leading to a storm surge can also produce a tidal bore in a river that may under normal conditions not exhibit one." Interesting.
I've never been able to really get my mind around the Skew-T. I finally went looking and found this, which seems like a good, basic explanation and helped considerably. I'm glad you included the graphic and sent me looking.
1:39 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
I really enjoy exchanges like this between enthusiastic and knowledgeable weather watchers.
With regard to skew-Ts, check out my earlier blog.
Hope this helps.
Lee
1:58 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
You're quite welcome. Feel free to ask any questions here, even if they're off topic.
Cheers.
Lee
when the tide comes in.
3:38 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
It's now on my list, George. Thanks.
On Monday morning, HGX was advertising gusty winds and cold air advection with the Tuesday front. My work day usually starts pretty early. Never even glanced at the sat images on Tuesday. Just heard the winds outside and assumed the front was on track and on time.
Thanks, Lee, for bringing the science and images to your blog to allow the opportunity to see what I missed. And a reminder for me, that sometimes, sticking one's head out the window and taking note of the clouds, winds, temps, dp's, etc, is a valuable compliment to understanding the charts and graphs and models that are sometimes erroneously referred to as "weather" .
6:06 PM GMT on March 10, 2013
That's good advice! Thanks!
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