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Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Twin Cities/Chanhassen Minnesota 
600 am CDT Friday may 24 2013 


Short term...(today and tonight) 
issued at 409 am CDT Friday may 24 2013 


Starting out this short term period at 500 mb with a closed low over the 
Pacific northwest...sharp trough across eastern noam...with a ridge across the 
center of the continent. By Sat morning...the closed low will have 
pushed east some...helping nudge the upper ridge east as the eastern 
trough moves to the middle-Atlantic coast. As a result...will see 
upper ridge axis slide from its current position up across the 
central Dakotas over to Minnesota/Iowa by 12z Sat...which will help bring an 
abrupt end to the current dry spell...which to this point has lasted 
all of one day. 


At the surface...cool/dry Canadian high currently centered down across 
WI will have moved over to mich by Saturday morning. With Pacific northwest 
trough nudging east...will see increasing Lee through throughout the 
day today...which will help quickly bring moisture back north across 
the plains. 


For the short term...big question surrounds precipitation chances starting 
this afternoon in the west and spreading east across the rest of the 
area through the night. High pressure over WI has provided US with 
an incredibly dry antecedent airmass...as evidence by the 00z 
sounding from kmpx last night with a precipitable water of 0.14 inches. As we go 
through the day...isentropic moistening and lift on the 305/310k 
sfcs really picks up on the GFS/NAM this afternoon/evening. This 
will result in pretty thick middle-level cloud cover...along with 
precipitation generation above 700 mb. The question then becomes can any of the 
precipitation make it to the ground...as forecast soundings from the NAM 
show an incredibly dry layer of air down around 800 mb that must be 
overcome to get anything to the surface. Hi-res cam refl forecasts show 
light returns moving across Minnesota during the afternoon...pushing into 
WI by 3z...then moving into the far eastern County Warning Area by 6z on this isentropic 
lift. Based on the hi-res models...this batch of showers would be 
most likely along/north of a Benson to Red Wing line and would be 
indicative of a high pop/low quantitative precipitation forecast situation. Thinking probability of precipitation may need 
to be increased and moved east faster NE of the Benson to Red Wing 
through 06z than the current grids have...while probability of precipitation may be able to 
be lowered through 6z south of this line. 


After 06z...precipitation potential should shift to south of the Benson to 
Red Wing line as strong 925-850 mb moisture transport lays southeast into 
Iowa. For this second batch of forcing...the one outlier is the 
NAM...which brings the nose of this moisture transport into southern 
Minnesota...everything else keeps it down in central Iowa. In addition to 
moisture convergence on the nose of this moisture transport...fgen 
in the 925-850mb looks to increase as well...which should aid in the 
development of thunderstorms around 6z over western Iowa that then track 
southeast across Iowa through the rest of the night. Could see a couple of 
inches of precipitation overnight in some spots in Iowa...but mainly 
light precipitation is expected over Minnesota...with the highest amounts down 
along the I-90 corridor. Model blend followed for this second batch 
of precipitation was the Gem/ECMWF...which both keep bulk of precipitation on the 
nose of the low level jet over Iowa. 


For temperatures...did nudge highs down a couple of degrees from 
what was inherited...with highs mainly in the 60s today. Will make a 
run at 70 across western Minnesota...but feel dense cloud cover by the 
afternoon should slow down temperature increases there. For western WI...held 
highs there in the low 60s as they will be closer to the cold 
trough...plus with lows falling to around 30 this morning...even a 
30 degree diurnal swing would hold highs to around 60. 


Final thing to watch for the afternoon will be the dewpoints... 
especially in western WI. Current dewpoint grids followed a blend of 
blended MOS with a mix down to h9 on the NAM...which resulted in 
dewps slowly rising into the middle 30s in WI this afternoon. 
However...when looking at a NAM forecast sounding for eau this 
afternoon...there is that impressive wedge of dry air forecast to 
hang out at 800 mb. If the boundary layer can grow deep enough to tap 
into that air...then another day with dewps tumbling into the middle 
20s can be expected across western WI...which would have significant 
implications to minimum humidities this afternoon...possibly 
falling back into the teens. With the increasing east-southeast winds...this 
will have to watched from the fire weather perspective. 


Long term...(saturday through thursday) 
issued at 409 am CDT Friday may 24 2013 


The Holiday weekend remains filled with cloudiness...precipitation 
chances and cool high temperatures. The threat for severe threat 
remains very low. 


Rain showers and isolated thunderstorms will be ongoing across 
eastern Minnesota and west central WI Saturday morning as a short wave 
and isentropic lift move through. All guidance is in good 
agreement on diminishing the rain during the afternoon with 
western areas perhaps being dry. An upper ridge is forecast to 
amplify some over US Saturday night and Sunday...shunting short 
wave energy coming in from the large western trough to the west 
and south of US. This would keep the best precipitation chances 
along and south of the Minnesota River Valley... with dry weather over 
our far eastern WI counties. The ridge will slip east Sunday night 
with several waves of showers and thunderstorms moving through 
Memorial Day. Rainfall from Saturday through Monday may amount to 
several inches across NE/Iowa where the low level moisture transport 
is focused along a strengthening warm front. Rainfall in our area 
for the three day period should range from a tenth of two in WI to 
an inch in southwest Minnesota. It will be cool through the weekend with 
extensive cloudiness and east-southeast low level flow. Highs on Saturday 
will struggle to reach the upper 50s to middle 60s. Highs by 
Monday should reach the middle 60s to lower 70s. 


Things will begin to change on Tuesday as the warm front to our 
south begins to lift north...reaching our forecast area for Wednesday and 
Thursday. It will turn warmer and more humid with much better 
chances for organized strong to severe convection. A check of the 
cips analogs valid for next Wednesday indicated widespread severe 
reports over our area. Only one of the 15 analogs had no severe 
reports in our County Warning Area. The threat for heavy rainfall will be also 
be on the increase as well with precipitable water forecast to be at least 2 
Standard deviations above normal. The cips analogs also point to 
the potential for several inches of rain. By the way... msp has 
already had nearly 14 inches of precipitation so far this year... 
which is more than 5 inches above normal. 


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Aviation...(for the 12z tafs through 12z Saturday morning) 
issued at 600 am CDT Friday may 24 2013 


Lots of uncertainty with precipitation potential this taf period...as 
strong isentropic lift and warm advection will bring a significant 
increase in cloud cover by the afternoon...but precipitation will have to 
fight through very dry low levels to reach the surface. Given dry 
air...slowed timing a couple of hours compared to what hi-res 
reflectivity forecasts show. Whatever is seen...it looks to 
sprinkles/light rain...with VFR conditions expected to prevail. What 
this rain will do is moisten the low levels...increasing the 
likelihood of seeing MVFR or lower ceilings by the end of the night in 
Minnesota. May see some thunder with this activity as well...but at this 
point it looks isolated and not Worth putting in the tafs. Best 
chance for thunder though would be at rwf. For winds...with 
increasing gradient...will see southeast winds increase during the day and 
do not anticipate much of a drop in speeds overnight. 


Kmsp...confidence in forecast high through 00z...but confidence 
drops off quickly after that...especially with precipitation chances. 
Spcwrf along with the nmm would bring rain in as early as 00z...but 
moisture profiles in NAM/GFS soundings would suggest it is closer to 
6z before low levels are moist enough to allow precipitation to the ground. 
For ceilings...by Saturday morning...confidence is high that sub VFR 
ceilings will be in place...just a question of how early. NAM has low 
ceilings in around 12z...with the GFS closer to 18z...so split the 
difference at this point. For now...kept ceilings above 017...but they 
could certainly come in lower than that 


/outlook for kmsp/ 
Sat...chance MVFR or lower ceilings. Chance shra/tsra. Winds southeast 10-15 kts. 
Sun...chance MVFR or lower ceilings. Chance shra/tsra. Winds southeast 10-15 kts. 
Monday...chance MVFR or lower ceilings. Chance shra/tsra. Winds southeast 10 kts. 


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Mpx watches/warnings/advisories... 
Minnesota...frost advisory until 7 am CDT this morning for mnz045-052-053- 
063. 


WI...frost advisory until 7 am CDT this morning for wiz014>016- 
023>028. 


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Short term...mpg 
long term...rah 
aviation...mpg