Scientific Forecaster Discussion

NWS Discussion
			
				

Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Glasgow Montana 
216 PM MDT Tuesday may 21 2013 


Short term...for northeast Montana...tonight through Thursday... 
an upper level low over eastern South Dakota will continue to 
drive wraparound light shower activity over the southeast this 
evening. Shower activity will quickly taper off after midnight as 
the upper low pushes to the east. 


Dry and warm conditions will rule on Wednesday as upper ridging 
dominates ahead of an approaching upper trough over the Pacific 
northwest. Gusty southeast winds will also pick up during the late 
morning in response to the approaching low...necessitating a lake 
Wind Advisory that will last into late Thursday evening. 


Southerly flow aloft associated with the approaching upper low 
looks to build into the western zones by Wednesday evening. 
Disturbances in this flow will create decent chances for showers 
and thunderstorms across the west into Thursday. Gilchrist 


Long term...Thursday night through Tuesday... 
the upper level ridge gets pushed aside Thursday night and Friday 
by a lobe off the strong Pacific-northwest closed low swinging north through 
Montana. Weak instability develops to the southwest late Thursday 
so the disturbance could generate scattered rain showers and 
isolated thunder mainly in the western zones. A more distinct cold 
front will push through the area on Friday...but again...the best 
instability and moisture remain outside northeast Montana... 
according to the GFS. The timing is different in the ec...which could 
bring the front into the area Friday afternoon with instability. 
With model differences on Friday...will leave probability of precipitation as is. Model 
differences continue into Saturday. There could be showers and 
thunder or not...depending on the model. So again will leave 
along. There is at least the potential with the GFS model to match 
up a temperature boundary with some very unstable conditions... 
which could lead to some energetic thunderstorms. Sunday looks 
like the best day for timing and location to bring about possibly 
very energetic storms. The grids handle this uncertainty well...so 
few change past day four. Scattered 


Previous discussion... the extended period begins Thursday night 
with a closed upper trough across the west and an upper level 
ridge across the southern U.S. That extends through the plains. 
This places northeast Montana in diffluent southwest flow aloft. 
The 00z model suite is pointing to a robust shortwave pushing 
through the flow which could lead to enhanced dynamic lift across 
parts of the County Warning Area. The 850mb level easterly/southeasterly winds 
will help to pump in low level moisture...and also suggest the 
presence of a low level jet which could help to force convection 
if the other dynamic ingredients discussed come together 
coincident ly. Decent equivalent potential temperature ridge looks 
to be in place across the County Warning Area by Friday afternoon with warming 
temperatures out ahead of the trough. The middle levels also look 
pretty dry. This leads to the concern that some storms that 
develop may produce hail. The 00z European model (ecmwf) forecast soundings show Li 
between -1 and 1 across the County Warning Area and total totals in the upper 40s 
and not much cape. Notice a nice veering profile in the European model (ecmwf) 
forecast soundings with about 40 kts of 0-6 km speed shear. The 
GFS shows actually higher lifted index values and is less 
suggestive of strong convection in short...the ingredients are 
there for good thunderstorm development but some parameters appear 
only marginal and so confidence on strong storms is not yet there. 
Will need to look at future model runs for consistency. Timing of 
the shortwave as it intersects the Theta-E ridge will also be 
key...right now it appears the northern zones and southern 
Saskatchewan may be in the best location for Friday afternoon for 
convection initiation if following the ec guidance. Any convection 
should slowly dwindle Friday night with the loss of daytime 
heating. 


On Saturday...upper flow pattern maintains southwest flow aloft 
over the County Warning Area with ridge axis running from Texas...northwestward 
through the plains and into NE Montana. This should actually lead to 
warmer temperatures which could lend to enhancing the potential 
for convection initiation. Nice upper level diffluence is noted 
and some of the forecast soundings are certainly indicative of 
convective potential. There is also some subtle embedded shortwave 
energy that pushes through shortwave flow aloft...but nothing as 
impressive as the wave on Friday. 


Sunday into Sunday night presently looks to be the best potential 
for thunderstorms to develop which could become strong in nature. 
There is much better agreement in both the European model (ecmwf) and GFS with both 
forecast soundings showing lifted index values between -5 and -8 
across the County Warning Area. The GFS BUFKIT sounding shows around 1500 j/kg of 
cape and total totals approaching 60. Though a nice veering wind 
profile exists in both European model (ecmwf)/GFS soundings... though would like 
to see more speed shear in the soundings. Should also point out 
that forecast soundings from both models are showing precipitable waters  of over 
an inch. With again dry air present in the middle levels...would be 
concerned about hail formation with any storms. There is again a 
low level 850mb easterly jet that forms...which should help to 
pump in low level moisture. Nice Theta-E ridge axis over the County Warning Area 
along with a couple of shortwaves that pass off to the west could 
also help provide decent lift if the timing is right...and that 
will be the key for determining the overall extent of the 
thunderstorm potential. Of all of the days in the extended 
period...this looks to be the one with the best model agreement 
and the best in terms of various ingredients coming together both 
dynamically and thermodynamically that are coincident with each 
other. Will of course need to watch for continuity in the model 
solutions to determine if this continues. Will also need to hone 
in on mesoscale details which are difficult to determine this far 
in advance. Where these ingredients come together...the precise 
timing of the shortwave features...and how everything interacts 
with mesoscale processes will determine the precise extent of 
convective potential. 


Monday and beyond...NE Montana is expected to remain in southwest flow 
aloft with the European model (ecmwf) guidance suggesting perhaps the upper 
pattern could become more zonal late next week. The GFS on the 
other hand keeps the overall pattern aloft from the southwest. This 
overall pattern would be considered favorable for a continued 
potential for convective showers and thunderstorms to develop 
depending on timing/track of shortwave features in the flow. Maliawco. 


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Aviation... 
mostly VFR through Wednesday...although brief MVFR ceilings are 
possible today at ksdy and kgdv. 


The closed low pressure system is now centered over eastern South 
Dakota...with the back edge of the low level stratus cloud deck 
covering eastern counties in northeast Montana this morning. So 
far...seeing ceilings of around 3.5kft-4kft over ksdy and kgdv. 
Otherwise satellite imagery reveals an overcast of thin high 
stratus over kggw and kolf. By this time on Wednesday the low 
stratus should have moved well to the east 


Expect wind to become easterly today at 12kt to 20kt. On Wednesday 
a developing surface trough in the Lee of the northern rockies 
will set up stronger easterly wind across the area. Expect wind to 
reach 15kt to 25 knots by afternoon. Scattered 


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Glasgow watches/warnings/advisories... 
lake Wind Advisory from 10 am Wednesday to midnight MDT Thursday 
night for Fort Peck Lake for central and southeast Phillips... 
central and southern valley...Garfield...McCone...Petroleum. 


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