Area forecast discussion National Weather Service Grand Forks ND 325 PM CDT Sat may 25 2013 Short term...(this evening through Sunday night) issued at 320 PM CDT Sat may 25 2013 Forecast challenge concerns mainly rain chances and temperatures. Models continue to trend to over doing quantitative precipitation forecast so far. Convection persists across western into the central Dakotas just barely crossing Missouri River. As short wave ridge over forecast area shifts gradually east middle level flow becomes more SW with time. As a result convection may be able to gradually propagate farther east. Generally trended a slow eastward progression of probability of precipitation although with main convergence to our west not sure how convection will hold together so kept probability of precipitation low. Low level moisture flux gradually increasing which will hold temperatures up. Rain chances Sunday-Sunday night also in question as low level forcing remains well to our west so again how far east can convection propagate. Maintained current probability of precipitation but at this time not enough confidence to increase. NE third of forecast area to remain rain free longest with drier air in place. Similar to today cloud cover will have a big impact on temperatures. Thermal profiles do not change much so probably not a big change in temperatures. Models do maintain low level moist layer although convective temperatures much higher. Long term...(monday through saturday) issued at 320 PM CDT Sat may 25 2013 As surface low pressure drifts gradually east will see better chances for precipitation for the early start of the week. Column warms along with increase in instability to T to be more prominent. Depending on solar temperatures look closer to average. Guidance in agreement with pronounced southwest flow aloft from the Southern Plains to the upper Midwest. They also agree on a closed low somewhere over the region by days 6/7. This is indicated by both the operational models and GFS ensembles. The European model (ecmwf) is more vigorous with the low with a Dakotas placement...while the GFS is more progressive driving the circulation into Ontario by Saturday. At the surface this should translate to an active period with several convective episodes Tuesday night through Thursday...with more of a light rain or showers regime for the end of the week...perhaps slackening or ending by Saturday. Temperatures will be near seasonal norms during the afternoons...above normal for the cloudy overnights. && Aviation...(for the 18z tafs through 18z Sunday afternoon) issued at 1239 PM CDT Sat may 25 2013 IFR ceilings have lifted out of kdvl...eastward progress has been limited to kgfk and brief period of MVFR there. Looking at low VFR ceilings through this taf period as main moisture stays well west of region for the time being. Gusty wind character should abate by sunset...as direction stays southeast everywhere. Not much if any precipitation expected through Sunday morning...reflected in dry tafs. && Fgf watches/warnings/advisories... ND...Flash Flood Watch through Sunday afternoon for ndz008. Minnesota...none. && $$ Short term...voelker long term...Rogers/voelker aviation...wjb