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Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Grand Forks ND 
1155 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


Update... 
issued at 1155 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


Temperatures were falling faster in the east than expected. So have 
decreased temperatures east for morning by a couple degrees. 




Update issued at 959 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


Water vapor loop indicated northwest flow across the area. An upper 
low was located over northeast man and will move southeast. Low not 
expected to affect the area as upper ridge shifts east overnight. 


Dewpoints were relatively high over southwest and far northwest 
zones. Elsewhere dewpoints fell into the 20s today and were beginning 
to rise with sunset. Will keep low temperatures for tonight as is. Backed 
off on winds overnight mainly in the eastern zones. 


Update issued at 659 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


Upper level ridge axis was over the central Dakotas and will move 
into the eastern Dakotas tonight and Friday. Higher precipitable water 
over Montana/Wyoming will shift east tonight and Friday. 


Tweaked low temperature for tonight. A degree lower in the west and degree 
higher in the east. Going forecast os reasonable. 


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Short term...(this evening through Friday night) 
issued at 330 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


Forecast challenge concerns temperatures and low end precipitation chances 
through the period. Overall models in reasonable agreement and 
will use blend. 


Surface high pressure will shift east into Minnesota overnight. Weak 
return flow will set up however with sky clear and relatively low 
dewpoints region will see a cool night. Not be surprised if a few 
areas across the far east under high get some patchy frost. 


After cool start will see some modest warm advection which will 
help temperatures recover close to today. Mixing to increase as 
well as clouds ahead of weak short wave. Surface forcing remains 
to our west however maintained inherited probability of precipitation as lowering 
condensation pressure deficits and weak isentropic lift moves into 
forecast area middle to late afternoon. 


Best potential for any precipitation will shift into Minnesota overnight. From 
late afternoon into the overnight instability minimal so fairly 
low confidence on lightning however maintained isolated mention. 
Slightly warmer column and temperatures will hold temperatures up 
with no frost potential. 


Long term...(saturday through thursday) 
issued at 330 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


The first half of upcoming Holiday period looks to feature more 
clouds than sun...below average temperatures and spotty precipitation 
chances. With lack of instability and surface forcing/moisture axis 
to our west not a great deal of confidence in any organized precipitation 
through Sunday. 


Models in general agreement on overall theme for next 
week...chances of showers/thunderstorms throughout the period. While exact 
timing of features are different...models indicating an 
increasingly southerly fetch of Gulf moisture in to the plains. 
Limiting factor for northern tier will be likely convection in the 
Central Plains...which will limit some moisture availability in 
our area. Also timing of the departure of an upper ridge early in 
the period...which models are still struggling with. Upper pattern 
should switch to a SW flow pattern by middle week...if not sooner. 


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Aviation...(for the 06z tafs through 06z Friday night) 
issued at 1155 PM CDT Thursday may 23 2013 


VFR conditions expected for tonight and much of Friday. Fog 
loop/surface observation indicated cirrus clouds spilling into the western 
zones this evening and expected high clouds to shift east overnight. 
Ceilings should lower from the west as system approaches forecast area 
on Friday. Some MVFR conditions possible in western zones by late Friday 
afternoon. Also few light showers possible late in the period. 


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Hydrology... 
issued at 959 PM CDT Thursday may 22 2013 


River flood warnings remain in effect at Neche along the Pembina 
river. Other river flood warnings remain at Pembina...Drayton and 
Oslo on the mainstem red...as well as Hallock...Grafton...Dilworth 
and Sabin. 


Fargo...Minto and Walhalla are to remain below flood stage and the 
warnings at those points have been cancelled. 


The Park River at Grafton appears to have crested and the stage is 
currently below 15.5 feet and continues to fall. 


Areal flood warnings remain in effect for Pembina...eastern 
Cavalier...and Walsh counties. The main surge of water is now into 
central Pembina and Walsh counties...and will continue to move 
toward the Red River. Water levels across this area should gradually 
decrease over the next few days with little additional rainfall 
anticipated. 


A Flash Flood Watch remains in effect through Friday afternoon for 
areas downstream of the Renwick dam on The Tongue river. Water 
remains very high at the dam site and is being held back by a 
constructed earthen levee on top of the dam structure. At this 
time...officials note the temporary levee on top of the Renwick dam 
remains stable and will still be monitored. Otherwise...Lake Renwick 
has been slowly receding over the last 24 hours. Also...water has 
stopped flowing over the emergency spillways at most of the 
retention dams west of the Renwick dam. 


&& 


Fgf watches/warnings/advisories... 
ND...Flash Flood Watch through Friday afternoon for ndz008. 


Minnesota...none. 
&& 


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Update...hoppes 
short term...voelker 
long term...speicher/voelker 
aviation...hoppes 
hydrology...hoppes