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Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Grand Forks ND 
947 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


Update... 
issued at 943 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


Minimal changes for this update. Some clearing across southeast ND as far 
east as southern valley however with convective temperatures in 
the middle 60s and a shallow moist layer will likely see cumulus to some 
degree develop. Otherwise St and fog across northwest forecast area beginning to 
lift. Overall expect pc-mcldy skies today. Temperatures on track 
so no changes. 


Update issued at 641 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


Added a patchy fog mention across the Devils Lake area this 
morning as a few locations are reported some reduced visibilities 
mostly 4 to 6 miles with the exception of Langdon which is down to 
one mile. Good mixing will make for a short duration this morning. 
No other changes this morning to todays forecast. 


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Short term...(today through sunday) 
issued at 345 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


Challenge today will be temperatures and clouds with convection tonight. 
Models in fair agreement with the short term and used a blend for 
this forecast. Persistent southwest flow through the forecast 
period will keep active shower...tstorm pattern continuing. 
Challenge with the short wave energies will be placement and the 
time of day with potential to tap a more unstable airmass if wave 
passage coincides with peak heating. 


Currently moderate warm air advection likely still producing 
scattered shower activity across Minnesota lakes and trees though 
radar trend shows decreasing coverage may just be artifact of 
overshooting as the echos drift farther from the kmvx radar. 
295k isentropic surface forecast shows the movement of the saturated 
layer aligned with the radar echos. Weak ascent wanes by late 
morning and have slight chance probability of precipitation ending at 18z. 


Attention then turns to the west where the next round of convection 
will struggle eastward from central ND. Showalters stay positive 
for much of the night County warning forecast area wide. Kept any pop mention to the SW 
half of the County warning forecast area through Sunday 12z...though think even less of 
the area will see shower activity...with the shower chances slowing 
moving east Sunday afternoon. 


Long term...(sunday night through friday) 
issued at 345 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


Sunday night to Monday night...increasing probability of precipitation into the likely 
category across the southern Red River with combination of 500mb 
shortwave energy atop 850mb convergence. 00z Gem and GFS a bit 
faster and a touch farther north than 00z European model (ecmwf) but fairly similar 
signals for the area. Negative showalters with 200 to 400 j/kg of mu 
cape expected as surface low tracks across the southern County warning forecast area Monday 
morning. Convection will continue to move to the east northeast 
and amount of temperature recovery will depend on speed of shortwave and 
subsidence in its wake. Highs in the 60s where the clouds linger 
the longest and 70s in the west most likely. 


Tuesday-Friday...models in good agreement indicating southwest flow 
aloft and then an upper low closing off somewhere in the vicinity of 
the forecast area toward the end of the period. This is an active pattern...not 
that dissimilar from the last heavy rain event. There are still a 
lot of details with low confidence (like where the upper low closes 
off...and how quickly it then propagates to the east)...but this 
will be something to keep a close eye on. 


&& 


Aviation...(for the 12z tafs through 12z Sunday morning) 
issued at 943 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


VFR this morning at locations other than kdvl which when dialed 
reported 600ft as of 1433z. Will see it lift to MVFR later this 
morning or early afternoon...then VFR. Convection which develops in 
central ND this evening will need to be monitored and may affect taf 
sites overnight though the confidence is low currently for any site 
to be impacted. 


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Hydrology... 
issued at 345 am CDT Sat may 25 2013 


Most tributaries of the Red River were falling across the forecast 
area. The exception was the Buffalo River at Dilworth which is 
rising and is forecast to crest just above minor flood stage 
this evening. 


On the main Stem of the Red River...the river was falling in the 
southern part of the valley. And in the northern valley...the Red 
River was rising as a respectable amount of water continues to flow 
into the mainstem red. Oslo is forecast to crest Saturday...Drayton 
to crest on Monday or Tuesday...and Pembina to crest next Thursday 
or Friday. 


River flood warnings remain in effect at Neche on the Pembina 
river. Other river flood warnings remain at Pembina...Drayton and 
Oslo on the mainstem red...as well as Hallock...Grafton and 
Dilworth. 


The Park River at Grafton has crested and the stage is currently 
below 14 feet and falling. 


Areal flood warnings remain in effect for Pembina...Walsh...and 
eastern Cavalier counties. Water levels across this area should 
gradually decrease over the next few days with modest additional 
rainfall anticipated. 


A Flash Flood Watch remains in effect through Sunday afternoon for 
areas downstream of the Renwick dam on The Tongue river. Water 
remains very high at the dam site and is being held back by a 
constructed earthen levee on top of the dam structure. At this 
time...officials note the temporary levee on top of the Renwick dam 
remains stable and will still be monitored. Otherwise...Lake Renwick 
has been slowly receding the last couple of days. 


&& 


Fgf watches/warnings/advisories... 
ND...Flash Flood Watch through Sunday afternoon for ndz008. 


Minnesota...none. 
&& 


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Update...voelker 
short term...jk 
long term...tg 
aviation...wjb 
hydrology...wjb