Scientific Forecaster Discussion

NWS Discussion
			
				
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
117 PM EDT TUE MAY 21 2013

.AVIATION...

//DISCUSSION...

A DEEP SOUTHWEST FLOW WILL REMAIN IN PLACE ACROSS THE REGION 
THROUGH THE TAF PERIOD.  WHILE THIS WILL LEAVE THE LOCAL ENVIRONMENT 
RELATIVELY MOIST AND UNSTABLE...PROSPECTS OF THUNDERSTORM 
DEVELOPMENT REMAIN QUITE ILL-DEFINED.  RECENT OBSERVATIONAL/ 
SATELLITE TRENDS AND MODEL GUIDANCE WOULD SUGGEST ANY POTENTIAL 
DEVELOPMENT LATE THIS AFTERNOON WILL TEND TO REMAIN WIDELY 
SCATTERED IN COVERAGE.  A DEEPENING MIXED LAYER WILL LEAD TO SOME 
SOUTHWESTERLY WIND GUSTS IN THE 20 KNOTS RANGE THROUGH PEAK HEATING.

FOR DTW...A LOW PROBABILITY DOES EXIST FOR THUNDERSTORMS TO IMPACT 
THE TERMINAL LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING.  HOWEVER THE POTENTIAL 
NOW APPEARS TOO LIMITED GIVEN THE QUESTION OF COVERAGE TO INCLUDE
A SPECIFIC MENTION.

//DTW THRESHOLD THREATS...

* LOW CONFIDENCE IN THUNDERSTORM OCCURRANCE FROM MID AFTERNOON INTO 
THE EVENING.

&&

.PREV DISCUSSION...ISSUED 1013 AM EDT TUE MAY 21 2013 

UPDATE...

SE MICHIGAN REMAINS LODGED WITHIN A DEEP/MOIST AND PROGRESSIVELY 
DESTABILIZING SOUTHWEST FLOW LATE THIS MORNING.  SEVERAL HOUR WINDOW 
OF NEARLY FULL INSOLATION CERTAINLY HELPING THIS PROCESS...ALTHOUGH 
THE NORTHERN EXTENSION OF THE REMNANT CLOUD DEBRIS ATTACHED TO THE 
LEFTOVER WEAK PV FILAMENT STREAMING INTO WEST-CENTRAL OHIO WILL 
BEGIN TO FILTERING THE HEATING COMPONENT SLIGHTLY HEADING INTO 
MIDDAY.  HOWEVER GIVEN CURRENT TRENDS...HIGH TEMPERATURES OF LOWER 
TO MIDDLE 80S CERTAINLY ARE ATTAINABLE. THIS PROJECTS TO ROUGHLY
1500 J/KG OF MLCAPE FOR THIS AFTERNOON.

DESPITE THIS EMERGING LOW LEVEL INSTABILITY GRADIENT...DELINEATING 
BOTH THE LOCATION AND SCALE OF CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT...BOTH 
UPSTREAM AND LOCALLY...REMAINS A CHALLENGE FOR THE AFTERNOON AND 
EVENING PERIOD.  12Z DTX SOUNDING AND RECENT MODEL GUIDANCE SUGGEST 
SOME DEGREE OF CAPPING REMAINS IN PLACE...ALBEIT NOT NEARLY AS 
STRONG AS NOTED YESTERDAY.  CONVECTIVE INITIATION MAY BECOME TIED TO 
ADDITIONAL WEAK SHORTWAVE ENERGY AND ON THE LEAD EDGE OF AN 
EXPANDING DIFFERENTIAL HEATING ZONE WORKING ACROSS MISSOURI AND INTO 
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS.  RECENT HI RES MODEL GUIDANCE PROVIDE FEW 
CLUES...SUGGESTING A WINDOW FOR ISOLATED/SCATTERED DISCRETE CELL 
DEVELOPMENT IN THAT FAVORED 19-22Z PERIOD.  GIVEN A SOLID BACKGROUND 
THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT TO MAINTAIN UPDRAFT STRENGTH...THE
PRESENCE OF A SUPPORTIVELY DEEP LAYER WIND FIELD WILL MAINTAIN A
RISK OF DAMAGING WINDS AND HAIL WITH ANY CELLS THAT CAN ORGANIZE
THROUGH THE PEAK HEATING CYCLE.

MINOR UPDATE ISSUED ALREADY TO READJUST POPS THROUGH THE EVENING AND 
TWEAK TEMPERATURES BASED ON RECENT TRENDS.     

PREV DISCUSSION...ISSUED 738 AM EDT TUE MAY 21 2013 

UPDATE...

DESPITE A MID LEVEL SHORTWAVE AND SUPPORT FROM THE LOW LEVEL
JET...MORNING CONVECTION HAS NOT HELD TOGETHER WELL AS IT HAS
TRAVELLED THROUGH SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN THIS MORNING. AS THE 06Z RUNS
COME IN THEY ARE KEEPING ADDITIONAL CONVECTION TO THE NORTH AND
SOUTH OF THE AREA WHERE THE BETTER DYNAMICS ARE...IN STARK
CONTRAST TO THE 00Z RUNS WHICH BLANKETED THE AREA WITH RAIN ALL
DAY. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS SOME VALIDITY TO THIS THINKING AS
THE JET STREAM TO THE NORTH PULLS STORMS OVER THE NORTHERN GREAT
LAKES AND ACTIVITY TO THE SOUTH SHOWS SIGNS OF STAYING OVER THE
SOUTH. IT APPEARS SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN COULD BE IN BETWEEN ACTIVITY
TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH TODAY THE WAY WATER VAPOR IMAGERY IS
SHAPING UP. GIVEN THESE FACTORS WILL TONE DOWN POPS FROM
CATEGORICAL TO LIKELY...HOWEVER GOING BELOW THIS THRESHOLD WOULD
BE A MISTAKE WITH THE AMOUNT OF INSTABILITY THAT IS FORECAST TO
DEVELOP DURING THE AFTERNOON HOURS. FURTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE
FORECAST WILL BE MADE AS NECESSARY.

PREV DISCUSSION...ISSUED 342 AM EDT TUE MAY 21 2013 

SHORT TERM...TODAY AND TONIGHT

LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS CURRENTLY OVER NORTHERN ILLINOIS IS SLOWLY BUT 
SURELY MARCHING NORTHEAST DURING THE EARLY MORNING HOURS. THE MAIN 
QUESTION THIS MORNING IS HOW WELL THIS ACTIVITY WILL HOLD TOGETHER 
AS IT TRACKS THROUGH SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN. HI-RES MODEL RUNS ARE IN 
GENERAL AGREEMENT IN BRINGING THE SYSTEM THROUGH BETWEEN 09-13Z. 
THAT IS WHERE THE AGREEMENT ENDS AS THE HRRR LIFTS THE BEST 
THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY NORTH THROUGH NORTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN WHILE 
THE WRF MAINTAINS THE LINE OF STRONG THUNDERSTORMS AS IT TRACKS 
THROUGH SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN...MAINLY NORTH OF THE M-59 CORRIDOR. THE 
EVOLUTION OF THE JET STREAM WOULD VALIDATE THE HRRR SOLUTION AS IT 
LIFTS THE 100+ KNOT JET NORTH OVER THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES...TAKING 
THE UPPER LEVEL DIVERGENCE AFFORDED BY THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF 
THE JET WITH IT. HOWEVER LOWER LEVELS LEND CREDENCE TO THE WRF 
SOLUTION AS THE MAIN SHORTWAVE DRIVING THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE 
CONVECTION IS PROGGED TO GO DIRECTLY THROUGH SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN WITH 
THE NOSE OF THE 35 KNOT 850 MB LOW LEVEL JET POINTED OVER SOUTHEAST 
MICHIGAN. DESPITE THE LOSS OF UPPER LEVEL JET SUPPORT...THE LOWER 
LEVEL DYNAMICS POINT TO AN ACTIVE MORNING ACROSS SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN 
WITH THE LINE OF CONVECTION EXPECTED TO SURVIVE THE TRIP AND TRACK 
THROUGH THE AREA. THIS ACTIVITY WILL STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF 
INSTABILITY TO WORK WITH AS MUCAPE VALUES REMAIN AT 1000 TO 1500 
J/KG DURING THE EARLY MORNING HOURS. SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FROM THIS 
MORNINGS CONVECTION WILL MAINLY BE A WIND THREAT...AS UPSTREAM 
OBSERVATIONS SHOW LITTLE THREAT FROM LARGE HAIL...ALTHOUGH SMALL TO 
NEAR SEVERE HAIL IS A POSSIBILITY.

AFTER THIS INITIAL ACTIVITY THE PICTURE BECOMES VERY MUDDLED AS THE 
NWP MODELS KEEP SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS GOING FOR MUCH OF THE DAY. 
THIS SCENARIO IS CERTAINLY PLAUSIBLE AS ANOTHER JET STREAK LIFTS 
FROM THE SOUTHWEST AND MAKES ITS WAY OVER THE GREAT LAKES REGION. AS 
A RESULT THE AREA WILL BE IN THE PATH OF SEVERAL SHORTWAVES ROTATING 
AROUND THE MAIN MID LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM TAKING UP RESIDENCE 
OVER THE MISSOURI VALLEY. WITHOUT A KEY FEATURE INDICATING THERE 
WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL BREAK FROM THE ACTION...DO NOT PLAN ON 
DEVIATING MUCH FROM THE PREVIOUS FORECAST HIGH POPS THROUGH THE 
DAYTIME HOURS.

SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL THIS AFTERNOON WILL HINGE ON THE ABILITY TO 
GET A BREAK IN THE CONVECTION. THIS WINDOW WILL NOT HAVE TO BE 
LARGE...AS EVIDENCED YESTERDAY...WITH A BRIEF BREAK ALLOWING 
TEMPERATURES AND CAPES TO RISE SIGNIFICANTLY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF 
TIME. MODELS SHOW MUCAPE VALUES RANGING FROM 500 TO 1000 J/KG WITH A 
FAIRLY STEADY STREAM OF CONVECTION DURING THE DAY. AFTERNOON 
SUNSHINE COULD EASILY BOOST THESE VALUES TO AROUND 1500 J/KG GIVEN 
THE LATE MAY SUN ANGLE AND THE VERY WARM AIR IN THE LOW LEVELS. IN 
ADDITION TO THE INSTABILITY...0-6 KM BULK SHEAR VALUES ARE A GOOD 30 
TO 40 KNOTS TODAY...MEANING THE POTENTIAL FOR STRONG TO SEVERE 
THUNDERSTORMS PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS AND LARGE HAIL ARE A 
POSSIBILITY. CLOSER INSPECTION OF THE HODOGRAPH AND LOW LEVEL CAPE 
SHOW ISOLATED TORNADOES WILL ALSO BE A THREAT...ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN 
GET SOME SUNSHINE...AS 0-3KM CAPE VALUES REACH 150 TO 200 J/KG AND 
STORM RELATIVE HELICITY VALUES GET TO 150 TO 200 M2/S2. ALL OF THIS 
ACTIVITY MAKES FORECASTING HIGH TEMPERATURES TODAY QUITE 
CHALLENGING. EVEN WITH ALL OF THE ACTIVITY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET 
INTO THE LOW 80S AWAY FROM THE GREAT LAKES...HOWEVER A FEW MID 80S 
ARE A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY IF THE AFOREMENTIONED BREAK IN THE 
ACTIVITY OCCURS.

OVERNIGHT MODELS ARE HINTING AT A BREAK IN THE CONVECTION AS THE 
SECONDARY JET STREAM MOVES OFF TO THE NORTH WITH NVA PROGGED AT THE 
500 MB LEVEL AS THE SURFACE LOW LIFTS OVER THE SOO. EVEN WITH THESE 
FACTORS THERE IS ABUNDANT LOW LEVEL MOISTURE ACROSS SOUTHEAST 
MICHIGAN...SO A COMPLETELY DRY FORECAST IS NOT IN THE CARDS AND 
NEITHER IS A CONTINUATION OF THE HIGH POPS FROM TODAY. WITH ALL 
THESE FACTORS IN MIND WILL MAINTAIN CHANCY POPS DURING THE OVERNIGHT 
HOURS. ABUNDANT CLOUD COVER AND THE REGION STILL IN THE WARM SECTOR 
WILL ONCE AGAIN LEAD TO A MILD NIGHT WITH OVERNIGHT LOWS EXPECTED IN 
THE 60S.

LONG TERM...WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY

UPPER LEVEL TROUGHING WILL KEEP MENTION OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS 
AROUND INTO THURSDAY WHICH IS WHEN THE MAIN TROUGH AXIS PASSES EAST 
OF THE AREA ALLOWING HEIGHTS TO BUILD. MEANWHILE...COMPLEX SFC LOW 
PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL WORK THROUGH LOWER MI ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY 
BEFORE A STRONG CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM DROPS INTO THE GREAT 
LAKES AND EXPANDS ACROSS MUCH OF THE EASTERN CONUS FOR THE HOLIDAY 
WEEKEND. THIS WILL LEAD TO A DRY BUT COOL WEEKEND. 

FIRST OFF WE WILL ADDRESS CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL FOR WEDNESDAY. THE 
GFS POORLY INITIALIZES THE SFC LOW OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS SO WILL 
LEAN MORE TOWARD THE ECMWF/NAM/GEM REGIONAL. THE UPPER LEVEL LOW 
THAT HAS BEEN SITTING OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS FOR A FEW DAYS NOW 
WILL PHASE WITH A NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH DIGGING SOUTH THROUGH 
MANITOBA/ONTARIO ON WEDNESDAY. THIS WILL LEAD TO A MORE PROGRESSIVE 
SYSTEM FINALLY. WITH THE CLOSED NATURE OF THE UPPER LOW...A FEW SFC 
LOWS HAVE BEEN ROTATING AROUND EACH OTHER THE LAST TWO DAYS. AS THE 
WAVE OPENS FURTHER AND THE UPPER JET TURNS WEST/EAST ACROSS NORTHERN 
MI...THE MAIN SFC LOW WILL RELEASE AND TRACK ACROSS NORTHERN LOWER 
MI THROUGH THE DAY WEDNESDAY. THIS WILL BE A BROAD WEAKENING LOW BUT 
WILL PRESENT ISENTROPIC ASCENT AND WILL KEEP THE Theta-e RIDGE UP 
INTO SE MI. FOCUS WILL BE PLACED ON A SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE THAT 
WILL ROUND THE BASE OF THE TROUGH AND TARGET LOWER MI WEDNESDAY 
AFTERNOON. MODEL CONSENSUS SHOWS A SFC LOW CLIPPING EXTREME SE MI. 
THIS WILL OPEN THE DOOR FOR ADDITIONAL HEATING AND MOISTURE INTO 
THAT AREA DURING PEAK AFTERNOON HEATING WITH THE EASTWARD TRACKING 
UPPER LEVEL JET MORE SQUARELY OVERHEAD. CONVECTIVE PARAMETERS ARE ON 
THE DECLINE FROM MONDAY AND TUESDAY BUT THERE WILL STILL BE 500 TO 
1000 J/KG OF TALL SKINNY MUCAPE WITH A COLD/COOL FRONT PASSING 
THROUGH THE AREA IN THE EVENING. OVERALL WEDNESDAY LOOKS LIKE IT 
WILL BE COMPOSED OF WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WITH A 
CHANCE OF ORGANIZED CONVECTION ACROSS THE EXTREME SE PORTION OF THE 
CWA. 

UPPER LEVEL TROUGH AXIS WILL BE OVER WESTERN LOWER MI WEDNESDAY 
NIGHT PROVIDING BROAD AREA OF LIFT ALOFT WITH THE BACK END OF THE 
SFC LOW STILL LINGERING. THIS WILL KEEP SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS 
OVER MUCH OF LOWER MI THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT. THE AXIS WILL SWEEP 
THROUGH SE MI EARLY ON THURSDAY LEADING TO A CLEARING TREND IN THE 
SHOWERS THROUGH THE DAY FROM NW TO SE. MAIN BAROCLINIC ZONE THATS 
BEEN LINGERING ACROSS THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES WILL SURGE SOUTH ON 
THURSDAY WITH STRONG CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE RIGHT BEHIND IT. WITH 
BUILDING HEIGHTS ALOFT...CLOUDS WILL CLEAR OUT BUT THAT WILL NOT BE 
REALIZED IN TEMPERATURES. 850 MB TEMPS IN THE LOW SINGLE DIGITS WILL 
ONLY ALLOW HIGH TEMPS TO REACH AROUND 60F BOTH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY 
WITH LOWS AROUND 40. A SLOW WARMING TREND THROUGH THE WEEKEND WILL 
ONLY ALLOW TEMPS TO REBOUND TO NEAR 70 FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY. 
THOUGH IT WILL BE COOL...AT LEAST IT LOOKS TO STAY DRY THOUGHT THE 
HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

MARINE...

MODEST SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL REMAIN IN PLACE TODAY AND WEDNESDAY AS A 
LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM SLOWLY LIFTS EAST OUT OF THE UPPER MIDWEST.  A 
WARM AND UNSTABLE ENVIRONMENT WILL BRING A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS 
DURING THIS TIME.  WINDS WILL SHIFT TO THE NORTH ACROSS ALL WATERS 
BY THURSDAY MORNING...AS THE LOW AND TRAILING COLD FRONT PUSH OFF TO 
THE EAST. THESE CONDITIONS WILL PUSH WINDS AND WAVES CLOSE TO SMALL 
CRAFT CRITERIA ON THURSDAY OVER LAKE HURON.

&&

.DTX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
MI...NONE.
LAKE HURON...NONE.
LAKE ST CLAIR...NONE.
MI WATERS OF LAKE ERIE...NONE.

&&

$$

AVIATION.....MR
UPDATE.......MR
SHORT TERM...KURIMSKI
LONG TERM....DRK
MARINE.......KURIMSKI


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